CFI's: Endorsements before practical.

surreal1221

surreal1221

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Hate to do it. . . BUT guys, if you wouldn't mind, check me on these.

The following endorsements are required to be in my logbook before/for my PPL-ASEL practical exam.

-Initial Solo endorsement on back of medical
-Initial solo cross-country endorsement on back of medical
-TSA requirement establishing that I am a citizen
-Presolo aeronautical knowledge and flight training
-Cross country flight planning endorsements for ALL attempted solo-XC trips. (Had one trip that I had to return back to the field due to approaching low cigs at arrival airport).
-90 Day solo extension (my first instructor left, and my new instructor gave me a new solo endorsement after my original lapsed while finding a new instructor - after of course making sure that I was competent to make said solo flights).
-Written exam endorsement out of the back of the GLEIM book
-After written exam review endorsement / signoff from test report.

That's what I have NOW. I also gather that I'll get an endorsement to take the practical correct?

Thanks guys.
 
All that looks good to me as long as you did all your solos at the single local home airport and then to cross country destinations that you were endorsed for.
 
Yup, that was it.

All my XC trips were from my home airport.

Two solo trips of FDW-GRD-FDW, and my long XC trip of FDW-FLO-MAO-FDW. There was the planned trip from FDW-AGS-FDW, that ended in me returning to FDW after half-way to AGS.
 
surreal1221 said:
Hate to do it. . . BUT guys, if you wouldn't mind, check me on these.

The following endorsements are required to be in my logbook before/for my PPL-ASEL practical exam.

-Initial Solo endorsement on back of medical
-Initial solo cross-country endorsement on back of medical
-TSA requirement establishing that I am a citizen
-Presolo aeronautical knowledge and flight training
-Cross country flight planning endorsements for ALL attempted solo-XC trips. (Had one trip that I had to return back to the field due to approaching low cigs at arrival airport).
-90 Day solo extension (my first instructor left, and my new instructor gave me a new solo endorsement after my original lapsed while finding a new instructor - after of course making sure that I was competent to make said solo flights).
-Written exam endorsement out of the back of the GLEIM book
-After written exam review endorsement / signoff from test report.

That's what I have NOW. I also gather that I'll get an endorsement to take the practical correct?

Thanks guys.
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Do you have a logbook endorsement for x/c privileges in your *logbook*, in addition to the one on your certificate?

For your checkride, you need three endorsements, one of which you already have (aeronautical knowledge). You will also need a 61.39 endorsement and a flight training endorsement.
 
Yes, I have endorsements in my logbook for EACH of the three solo XC trips I made. All in the back of the book.
 
tgrayson said:
No, there is an initial x/c endorsement that goes in the logbook that is independent of any particular x/c.
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This one:

6. Initial solo cross-country flight: section 61.93(c)(1).
I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the required solo cross-country training. I find he/she has met the applicable requirements of section 61.93, and is proficient to make solo cross-country flights in a (make and model aircraft).
/s/ [date] J. J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-05
 
surreal1221 said:
Hate to do it. . . BUT guys, if you wouldn't mind, check me on these.

The following endorsements are required to be in my logbook before/for my PPL-ASEL practical exam.

-Initial Solo endorsement on back of medical
-Initial solo cross-country endorsement on back of medical
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In addition to tgrayson pointing out that there are logbook endorsements to go along with these two (one of which you already listed), I'm going to nitpick.

The initial solo and solo cross country endorsements do not go on back of the "medical." They go on the back of the student pilot certificate. I know that the initial student pilot certificate and the initial medical share the same piece of paper, but (1) they do not have to, (2) the pilot certificate can expire before the medical, and (3) technically they are separate. I can see an examiner trying to make sure that you understand the difference, perhaps with a question about what you do if #2 happens.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
In addition to tgrayson pointing out that there are logbook endorsements to go along with these two (one of which you already listed), I'm going to nitpick.

The initial solo and solo cross country endorsements do not go on back of the "medical." They go on the back of the student pilot certificate. I know that the initial student pilot certificate and the initial medical share the same piece of paper, but (1) they do not have to, (2) the pilot certificate can expire before the medical, and (3) technically they are separate. I can see an examiner trying to make sure that you understand the difference, perhaps with a question about what you do if #2 happens.
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Good point! I didn't realize this till my initial CFI oral and the inspector quizzed me me about it.
 
Ha, I just figured this one out a few weeks ago. It never really dawned on me until it came up with a student a while back where they had different dates of expiration.

I think when I learned it I had the attitude of, "it doesn't apply to me, so who cares right now". Glad it didnt come back to bite me.

I believe AOPA is lobbying to get this one changed with the new updates on the regs supposedly coming soon.
 
Timbuff10 said:
Ha, I just figured this one out a few weeks ago. It never really dawned on me until it came up with a student a while back where they had different dates of expiration.

I think when I learned it I had the attitude of, "it doesn't apply to me, so who cares right now". Glad it didnt come back to bite me.

I believe AOPA is lobbying to get this one changed with the new updates on the regs supposedly coming soon.
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You're correct, AOPA is lobbying for this change to have the student certificate last the whole duration of the medical. I think it would be a good change too.

I ran into this problem with a student I inherited from another instructor. Found out when I got him that his student pilot cert. was expired. Smart guy though, he caught it and let me know before I started instructing him even though his former instructor missed it.
 
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