CFII as initial. Studyguide?

Pachong

Pachong

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So apparently there's no oral exam guide, no videos, prepware or anything that really specifically cover a CFII initial ride. Anyone have some pointers? Much appreciated...:)
 
Why would you want to do the Double-I as your initial?

It;s been pointed out in probably a dozen threads here that you aren't allowed to teach in an airplane with only the Double-I.

Ground school? Sure
Simulator or FTD? Sure
Airplane? Absolutely not; not without the CFI-A
 
Mike H said:
Why would you want to do the Double-I as your initial?

It;s been pointed out in probably a dozen threads here that you aren't allowed to teach in an airplane with only the Double-I.

Ground school? Sure
Simulator or FTD? Sure
Airplane? Absolutely not; not without the CFI-A
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Cuz I'd follow up with the CFI-A. There's supposed to be a lot less they can ask you about in the oral for doing a CFII as initial. There's a reason the pilot mills do it this way.
 
Pachong said:
Cuz I'd follow up with the CFI-A. There's supposed to be a lot less they can ask you about in the oral for doing a CFII as initial. There's a reason the pilot mills do it this way.
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Ask whoever told you that for some pointers on what portions of the PTS won't be covered using this method.
 
Mike H said:
It;s been pointed out in probably a dozen threads here that you aren't allowed to teach in an airplane with only the Double-I.

Ground school? Sure
Simulator or FTD? Nope
Airplane? Absolutely not; not without the CFI-A
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Fixed that for you.
 
You will still cover the foi. Difference will be that you will only cover the endorsements and regs regarding instrument flying. Still will have to generate and teach a lesson plan but it will be on instrument flying. There is less overall to study but still expect to cover the rest when you add on your CFIA. The idea is that when you add on your CFIA it will be with a dpe who will go easier on the larger amount of info that is covered on the CFIA. Don't expect this to be always true though.
 
Your add on oral SHOULD be shorter by means of less required tasks. Key word "required". Take a look in the PTS under the section labeled "addition rating task section".

The PTS should be your study guide. As an instructor you need to know HOW to use that thing...

For your initial use that damn PTS. It goes section by section of everything you need to know! Read the thing from cover to cover.

GOOD LUCK!
 
I intend to do the same thing. For one, just like any other Instrument ride, you either meet the standards or you don't. There's less opportunity for examiner discretion to come into play.
 
A150K said:
I intend to do the same thing. For one, just like any other Instrument ride, you either meet the standards or you don't. There's less opportunity for examiner discretion to come into play.
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Thanks for the props mang.

Krieger, will do. I mean that's what I've been doing already but, I was hoping there was something with more pictures or something haha. 2 years out of college now and I'm having serious issues bearing down like I used to. Thanks for the input. :)
 
I apologize for not reading all posts, so if what I say has been already, well, please excuse my ignorance! Just as an instrument rating is an additional rating added to an existing pilot certificate, you can't get one without already being certificated. CFII is the same, you cannot get the "instrument airplane" added to a cfi that you don't already have.
 
Ziggyfuzz said:
I apologize for not reading all posts, so if what I say has been already, well, please excuse my ignorance! Just as an instrument rating is an additional rating added to an existing pilot certificate, you can't get one without already being certificated. CFII is the same, you cannot get the "instrument airplane" added to a cfi that you don't already have.
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That is not correct. There are many airmen who hold a CFI-I but do not hold a CFI-A. Their number will likely diminish in the future due to the FAA's recent interpretation of what a CFI-I without a CFI-A is authorized to do, but it is still possible to obtain a CFI-I without holding a CFI-A.
 
Yeah. You can do whatever you want for your initial. Change of plans though...so if anyone was thinking about providing a study guide, nevermind. Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks.
 
Houston said:
That is not correct. There are many airmen who hold a CFI-I but do not hold a CFI-A. Their number will likely diminish in the future due to the FAA's recent interpretation of what a CFI-I without a CFI-A is authorized to do, but it is still possible to obtain a CFI-I without holding a CFI-A.
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I suppose that is true, depending on where you are. I know the rules are rules, but each FSDO operates much like an independantly owned and operated franchise of the FAA, my understanding here in the WP-07 is that is not to be done. One could do the MEI as initial but not the IR. I can check my FSDO to find out...
 
Ziggyfuzz said:
I suppose that is true, depending on where you are. I know the rules are rules, but each FSDO operates much like an independantly owned and operated franchise of the FAA, my understanding here in the WP-07 is that is not to be done. One could do the MEI as initial but not the IR. I can check my FSDO to find out...
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And that folks, is why the whole FSDO concept is flawed. Each thinks they have the power to interpret regulation how they want to, which is not what they are set up to do.

In short, I did my CFI-IA as my initial, and held it for about a month prior to getting my CFI-ASE. I planned to do the AME, but didn't have the money at the time to do so, and now really have no need for it. Ultimately, I did the CFI-IA first for a couple of reasons. First, I felt more comfortable with instrument flying and instrument knowledge. I felt as if I could actually teach it, and in a way I had been, having a number of friends in a 141 instrument ground school that were always asking for help on things. Secondly, the choice of airplane was much higher for a CFI-IA. I used a fairly new 172SP with a G1000/GFC700 combo. My DPE (farmed out because North Florida is crazy busy) had never seen the GFC700, and actually got to teach him a little about it. He (a former 767 check airman) was quite impressed with it and I feel that by being able to actually teach on the ride helped a ton.

All in all, I wouldn't tell people to do the CFI-IA first because it's easier. I don't think it is, its just a completely different set of material.
 
Ziggyfuzz said:
I suppose that is true, depending on where you are. I know the rules are rules, but each FSDO operates much like an independantly owned and operated franchise of the FAA, my understanding here in the WP-07 is that is not to be done. One could do the MEI as initial but not the IR. I can check my FSDO to find out...
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If you ever find a situation in which you get two different answers from the FAA, there are a couple paths that can be taken. The first is to ask for a legal interpretation from the Chief Counsel's office. The problem there is that everything is not a legal question and the response time isn't as quick as you might like. The second path is to go to this website:

www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/afs/qms

Make a report and request assistance. It's surprisingly effective.
 
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