CFI records
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MidlifeFlyer
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What records are the CFI supposed to keep on their students training?
[/ QUOTE ] Are you asking "must" by regulation or "should" by good business practice?]
What records are the CFI supposed to keep on their students training?
[/ QUOTE ] Are you asking "must" by regulation or "should" by good business practice?]
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
If you want to be extra cautious, keep a copy of the syllabus you use. After a student passes on area, have him initial it. That way if any kinda of liability issue comes up later, you're covered. I've heard of people taking off overgross, crashing an airplane, and their families won the lawsuit against the instructor because they claimed he never taught w&b. Sadly, they even tagged the DE that passed the guy on his PPL ride for passing him, too.....
Jake_D
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The main records you need to keep are the sign-offs you give for solo endorsements. In addition you need to keep record of each student you sign off for a practical test, type of test, and the results of the exam. These records need to be kept for three years.
And I think someone mentioned the birth certificate. AOPA's webpage has a good link with what you need; http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/. You need to verify citizenship with a birth certificate or passport. You need to get a copy of the student's record and keep it for five years. The other option is to endorse the pilot's lobbook and yours stating that you reviewed their citizenship verification. If you do this method you do not need to make a copy of the document.
Last is the new TSA security awareness training you can take online. You print off the certificate at the end of the test and renew it once every year. You generally print two; one for you and one for your employer. I think that is all you need from what I can remember right now.
And I think someone mentioned the birth certificate. AOPA's webpage has a good link with what you need; http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/. You need to verify citizenship with a birth certificate or passport. You need to get a copy of the student's record and keep it for five years. The other option is to endorse the pilot's lobbook and yours stating that you reviewed their citizenship verification. If you do this method you do not need to make a copy of the document.
Last is the new TSA security awareness training you can take online. You print off the certificate at the end of the test and renew it once every year. You generally print two; one for you and one for your employer. I think that is all you need from what I can remember right now.
MidlifeFlyer
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Both.
[/ QUOTE ]A bunch of people covered the regulatory requirements. On the good business practice end, you should be keeping a record of all training given.
For some, that means your own logbook entries that are the same as your students.
For others, it means using a Part 141 style signed syllabus (Cessna, Gleim) or training blanket (Jepp, ASA) for certificates or ratings.
I use a kneeboard-sized 2-part form for every instructional flight, whether it be for a certificate or rating, a BFR, transition training or just some recurrency practice. It allows me to check off (an optionally grade) all of the PTS tasks. It has plenty of room for comments and gets signed by both the student and me and we each keep a copy. Might be a bit of overkill, but it gives a more comprehensive record of training than the typical logbook. If you're curious, there's a picture of it here (sorry about the pop-ups; it's not my regular site):
http://midlifeflight.tripod.com/cfi_stuff/index.htm
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[/ QUOTE ]A bunch of people covered the regulatory requirements. On the good business practice end, you should be keeping a record of all training given.
For some, that means your own logbook entries that are the same as your students.
For others, it means using a Part 141 style signed syllabus (Cessna, Gleim) or training blanket (Jepp, ASA) for certificates or ratings.
I use a kneeboard-sized 2-part form for every instructional flight, whether it be for a certificate or rating, a BFR, transition training or just some recurrency practice. It allows me to check off (an optionally grade) all of the PTS tasks. It has plenty of room for comments and gets signed by both the student and me and we each keep a copy. Might be a bit of overkill, but it gives a more comprehensive record of training than the typical logbook. If you're curious, there's a picture of it here (sorry about the pop-ups; it's not my regular site):
http://midlifeflight.tripod.com/cfi_stuff/index.htm
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
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Might be a bit of overkill, but it gives a more comprehensive record of training than the typical logbook.
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Not at all. I am also in the mindset of recording everything you do. At my school we actually keep it 3 places, students logbook, paper syllabi and a software program. And most CFIs put the entire lesson in their own logbooks.
Coming back the very good example of getting sued down the road...you will be well prepared to battle any ridiculous lawsuit against you. Even if the flight school goes under/burns down you could still show the complete training in your logbook. Remember folks, CYA!
MidlifeFlyer
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Not at all. I am also in the mindset of recording everything you do. At my school we actually keep it 3 places, students logbook, paper syllabi and a software program. And most CFIs put the entire lesson in their own logbooks.
[/ QUOTE ]Actually, I =don't= do that. The flight record I use is far more comprehensive that any of the other records, since it even has more room for comments than the Jepp-style student folder that some flight schools use.
My student's logbook only gets enough of a description to show that a task required for a certificate or rating has been accomplished, and my logbooks (paper and electronic) only show the student name.
Almost as bad as no complete record is too many that have different descriptions of what occured.
Not at all. I am also in the mindset of recording everything you do. At my school we actually keep it 3 places, students logbook, paper syllabi and a software program. And most CFIs put the entire lesson in their own logbooks.
[/ QUOTE ]Actually, I =don't= do that. The flight record I use is far more comprehensive that any of the other records, since it even has more room for comments than the Jepp-style student folder that some flight schools use.
My student's logbook only gets enough of a description to show that a task required for a certificate or rating has been accomplished, and my logbooks (paper and electronic) only show the student name.
Almost as bad as no complete record is too many that have different descriptions of what occured.
