Was wondering if anyone knew what endorsements were needed for someone adding additonal CATEGORY ratings to there certificate. Say Comm Glider pilot wants Private ASEL. Does (s)he need to obtain a student pilot certificate to be endorsed for solo and are all the student pilot endorsements listed in AC 61.65 E still required. I have reviewed 61.63 but gives vague description. Any help would be appreciated.
CFI Endorsements
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nosehair
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Yep, that's how I read 61.31 (d)(3) "Have received training required by this part,(which would be 61.87(b)(c)&(d) approprate to airplanes) that is appropriate to the aircraft cat. and class for the aircraft to be flown, and have received the required endorsements...for solo flight."
He has to meet all the airplane single engine requirements of 61.109(a) which includes 3 hours of dual x/c in a single engine, 3 hours night in a single engine, as well as the 10 hours solo in a single engine, which includes 5 hours solo x/c in a single engine, so you have to do the training, and the endorsements.
He has to meet all the airplane single engine requirements of 61.109(a) which includes 3 hours of dual x/c in a single engine, 3 hours night in a single engine, as well as the 10 hours solo in a single engine, which includes 5 hours solo x/c in a single engine, so you have to do the training, and the endorsements.
tgrayson
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You're only a *student* pilot once in your lifetime. The 61.81 and thereafter sections are for *student* pilots.
tgrayson
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Here are some relevant FAQ's:
QUESTION: I am currently giving flight training for a glider rating to a person who holds a commercial pilot certificate - airplane (ASEL/AMEL/IA). My questions concerns § 61.31(d)(3) which seems to say that more than one endorsement is needed, that is “the required endorsements from an instructor who is authorized to provide the required endorsements for solo flight in that aircraft.” Advisory Circular 61-65D, Appendix 1, lists two pre‑solo endorsements (for day flights): Endorsement #1 for pre-solo aeronautical knowledge [§ 61.87(b)] and Endorsement #2 for pre-solo flight training [§ 61.87(c)]. Appendix 1 of Advisory Circular 61-65D also shows Endorsement #35, an endorsement to act as PIC of an aircraft in solo operations when the pilot who does not hold an appropriate category [§ 61.31(d)(3), for glider category in this case]. Does the endorsement shown in Endorsement #35 suffice for this person to solo a glider, or are the endorsements shown in Endorsement #1 and Endorsement #2 also required?
ANSWER: Ref. § 61.31(d)(3), § 61.87(b) and (c) and Endorsement #35 in Appendix 1 of Advisory Circular 61‑65D; The person you are giving flight training to in a glider holds a commercial pilot certificate. He is not a student pilot. The person only needs to have received Endorsement #35 in order to serve as a PIC in a glider. The person does not need Endorsement #1 or Endorsement #2, nor are the endorsements appropriate for a certificated and rated pilot. Endorsement #1 and Endorsement #2 are predicated on the basis of § 61.87(b) and (c) which applies to student pilots only.
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QUESTION: If I give this commercial pilot – airplane an endorsements for solo privilege in gliders, is Endorsement #4 (solo flight for each additional 90-day period) shown in Appendix 1 of Advisory Circular 61‑65D required if this pilot wishes to solo the glider more than 90 days after the initial privilege endorsement?
ANSWER: Ref. § 61.31(d)(3), § 61.87(l)(2) and Endorsement #35 in Appendix 1 of Advisory Circular 61‑65D; The person is not a student pilot and only needs to have received Endorsement #35 in order to solo a glider. The person does not need Endorsement #4 as this 90-day limitation [§ 6187(l)(2)] only applies to student pilots. The person may continue to perform solo flight operations on the basis of Endorsement #35. However, as a flight instructor, even though the rules do not specifically state any requirement for limiting your endorsement to 90 days, it would be legally prudent of you to place such a limitation if you have any doubts about this person's judgment or his propensity to enjoy suing you. However, the rules do not specifically require you to place such a limitation, because those of us who rewrote Part 61 did not think it was necessary to attempt to regulate good vs. irrational judgment.
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