CFI checkride airspeeds

BravoZulu

BravoZulu

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I am a (newer) CFI and am helping a friend prepare for his CFI ride. I am not a 2-Year so I cannot sign him off obviously. Two questions:
1. My understanding is that most of the maneuvers can be accomplished in a fixed gear plane, and complex proficiency demonstrated separately much like the commercial ride...is this the case?

2. Does anybody have any experience doing the CFI stalls in a 172...and appropriate airspeeds/configurations best for the accelerated, secondary, and cross-control stall demos...?

Thanks,
B
 
BravoZulu said:
helping a friend prepare for his CFI ride.
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Part of the training that your friend needs to undergo is how to derive some of these answers for himself. Have him look in the Flight Instructor PTS for the requirements of a complex airplane.

As for the stalls, he should be able to construct acceptable procedures by reviewing the Airplane Flying Handbook, the Private, Commercial, and Flight Instructor PTSs, along with the airplane's AFM. I'm sure there are a variety of procedures which would meet these requirements.
 
For the cross control stall...have him do it clean, idle power. Get full back pressure and left rudder, holding wings level with opposite aileron. The 172 (at least in my experience) won't do anything interesting. It just kind of sits there and bucks. Then, when he thinks he's got it all figured out, reach over put in power to about 2000 RPM. It's a good time.
 
IMO, the flight training shouldn't be that long, as he should already be proficient in the commercial maneuvers. I wouldn't bother with two plane switch-er-roo.

mull it over.
 
the reason is this: He owns a 172 and is more comfortable in that, and it's been since the late '70s that he did the commecial maneuvers last...

172capt: i'll give it a go...
had an interesting power-on, flaps stall yesterday, into a 40kt headwind aloft...shouldn't have made any difference, but i think a lost gust, then a fall through a wind shear layer, made for an interesting ride..
 
I have one from 1940, for my CFII oral I had three FAA guys there and let them try and decode it and the whole time they were staring at it.
 
I did my CFI ride in two planes for a similar reason. I owned an AA-1 and did all the maneuvers in it. I rented an Arrow and did a forced landing, a touch & go, and a full stop in it.
 
BravoZulu said:
2. Does anybody have any experience doing the CFI stalls in a 172...and appropriate airspeeds/configurations best for the accelerated, secondary, and cross-control stall demos...?
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Don't get too fancy with the configuration on these--it's still just a stall--in a 172 your only exciting options are flaps/no flaps and how much power to use. Think in terms of what would be most useful for a student to see: what are we demonstrating? When do these stalls happen in real life? Configure accordingly, adding a dash of common sense.

Remember the candidate is learning these stalls not only to be able to demonstrate them, but also to recognize their development and prevent students from performing them at inopportune times.

On that note, I wish I were allowed to spin planes at my work so I could go up 6500 feet and say, "Show me your base-to-final turn, using yonder road as the runway."
 
ILS37R said:
On that note, I wish I were allowed to spin planes at my work so I could go up 6500 feet and say, "Show me your base-to-final turn, using yonder road as the runway."
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That's exactly what my cross-control stall simulates. "Ok, now try to tighten the turn with rudder, oops, there goes the bank, put in some opposite aileron, hey, now the nose wants to drop, a little more elevator please...ooops, now we're really sinking, add some power..."
BAM. Spin entry.
 
I am also not 'supposed to' spin the 172 I teach in. The owner of the plane is under the belief that it is especially hard on the gyro instruments...might be some merit in that...but the nose wheel shimmying for the last two months i'm sure didn't help either.
 
BravoZulu said:
I am also not 'supposed to' spin the 172 I teach in. The owner of the plane is under the belief that it is especially hard on the gyro instruments...might be some merit in that...but the nose wheel shimmying for the last two months i'm sure didn't help either.
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The way that you write that implies that you spin it anyway. Even though the owner doesn't want you to do so. Am I misreading something?
 
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