Certificate requirement question

Piperflyer

Piperflyer

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Hi (first post here)
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What happens if you pass a checkride and get a new certificate, and then you realise that all requirements were not met? Even if the examiner does not notice? This has happened to me and to a buddy of mine.
Thanks
 
I am kind of curious why your instructor didn't realize that all of your requirements weren't met, and then signed you off for the checkride? What requirements were you missing, and for what certificate?
 
Well, it could be a problem.

One of my friends ("Bill") took his initial CFI checkride with the FSDO... Went in as a commercial pilot, came out with a private ticket. The FAA inspector who reviewed his logbook realized that Bill hadn't met the requirements for the commercial. In particular, Bill and his instructor had omitted the day and night dual VFR cross-country flights. The examiner who gave Bill his commercial checkride should have picked up on this, but didn't. (Note: The aeronautical experience requirements had changed just a few weeks before Bill took his commercial checkride, which partially explains how Bill's highly experienced instructor could have made this mistake.)

Fortunately, the inspector was a pretty reasonable guy, so he re-issued Bill a private ticket and told Bill and his instructor to go "fix" the problem. After completing his dual VFR cross-country flights and getting his commercial certificate back, Bill re-took his CFI (with the same inspector) and passed with flying colors.

The guy that really got in hot water here was Bill's examiner for the commercial (and to a lesser extent, Bill's instructor). Again, the FAA inspector was able to solve this problem in a constructive way. The CFI and DPE got a pretty major @ss-chewing, but I don't think there were any other long-term repercussions.

If you are really concerned about this, start by talking with your instructor.

FFFI
 
well, while we are on this topic...lets talk about the dual x-c. are these night and day vfr 100 milers required to be with an instructor? or can they be solo? im a little confused now. i was under the impression they could be either.
 
Thanks for the replies so far. I thought I had it done correctly but two months after the chekride I saw that it wasnt. Since then I have flown a long solo XC with the 3 stops, etc.. So I am wondering if its ok now.
 
During my commerical checkride, the examiner mentioned that if it turns out that you do not meet the requirements of a certificate on the day the certificate is issued, the FAA can and will revoke your certificate--even if you've since far exceeded the requirements of that certificate.

Best of luck
 
If it was me, I think I would "fess up" now and get it fixed officially, as much as that might suck in the short term. It could be really REALLY bad to get another year or more down the road, maybe with a flying job in hand, only to have the FAA discover the "deficiency" and yank not only your Commercial license but also any other ratings you've added since then.

MF
 
How would the FAA find out about his non solo x-c, unless he logged that he had a passenger with him?
 
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How would the FAA find out about his non solo x-c, unless he logged that he had a passenger with him?

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I don't know. piperflyer's concerned enough to ask, though.
 
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well, while we are on this topic...lets talk about the dual x-c. are these night and day vfr 100 milers required to be with an instructor? or can they be solo? im a little confused now. I was under the impression they could be either.

[/ QUOTE ]Are you working on your commercial? If so, you need to look at 61.129 and the PTS instead of having "impressions" of what's required.

61.129(a)(3)
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20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in § 61.127(b)(1) of this part that includes at least -
(iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a single-engine airplane in day VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iv) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a single-engine airplane in night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
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The key is that the cross countries are part of the hours of "training" - when the FAR talk about "training" it means with an instructor.

Compare that to the long solo in (a)(4)
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10 hours of solo flight in a single-engine airplane on the areas of operation listed in § 61.127(b)(1) of this part, which includes at least -
(I) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance,
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this really pisses me off. I read the PTS, and consulted with my instructor. Actually, my first instructor, and for obvious reasons I have moved on to someone else. But he told me they could be solo....or with a friend so thats what i did. nght vfr to ocean city and day vfr to roanoke. DAmn, that gonna be about 600 bucks extra now. Its this kind of stuff that really gets me hot......this is the last time i dont use a sylabus for a course.
 
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