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AMH

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Standups, naps, leanovers, bendovers... whatever you call them. The basic priority is to get to the hotel as quickly and safely as possible. When it comes to leaving your flight bag in the airplane (since you're most likely taking the same aircraft out), do you leave it behind or drag it with you?

Some guys swear by leaving it behind to save time. Others swear that it's forbidden and a violation of some sort of law, ranging from company to FAA to TSA.
 
Company says we can't b/c of TSA, supposedly a lot of the outstation TSA people don't even know about about it.

I choose not to leave it because I don't want to deal with the company or the TSA if they find it and get their panties in a bunch.
 
The few times I've done CDOs I've taken my bag with me but it has nothing to do with the TSA. The Company has a habit of randomly flying airplanes in at 2am in the morning and flying out the plane you brought in (with your bag on it). I've never had that happen to me, but I've heard the stories.
 
AMH said:
Standups, naps, leanovers, bendovers... whatever you call them. The basic priority is to get to the hotel as quickly and safely as possible. When it comes to leaving your flight bag in the airplane (since you're most likely taking the same aircraft out), do you leave it behind or drag it with you?

Some guys swear by leaving it behind to save time. Others swear that it's forbidden and a violation of some sort of law, ranging from company to FAA to TSA.
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I don't feel like buying my stuff back off Ebay. Needless to say I don't trust the rampers not to steal my crap!
 
I've always taken my case with me to the hotel.

With one exception, the first CDO I did. Which a certain peice of electronics was missing from my case. Not to say it was stolen, but I didn't have it when I returned to my house.
 
I usually like to leave my bag, locked and with my belongings inside. Unless the captain really gets his panties in a wad about it, then I'll take it to avoid ruffled feathers.

Anybody else have anything stolen?

What rules with the TSA could this possibly be violating?
 
I remember one time when a Colgan 1900 crew left their bags on the plane because they were to be the AM crew the next day. Unknown to them another crew flew in to swap planes but fortunately their bags were noticed and were put on the other Beech. Can you imagine coming in and going....."where did my bags go.............oh crap."
 
I should also note that most of the time we can leave our bags back in the ops area if we so choose, which is what people do when they don't want to take it to the hotel.
 
Leave it in the plane. Colgan would never fly another plane to these outstations overnight. And most outstations have only 4 or 5 rampers that have worked there for awhile, and we all get to know pretty well.
 
beechpilot said:
I remember one time when a Colgan 1900 crew left their bags on the plane because they were to be the AM crew the next day. Unknown to them another crew flew in to swap planes but fortunately their bags were noticed and were put on the other Beech. Can you imagine coming in and going....."where did my bags go.............oh crap."
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v1valarob said:
Leave it in the plane. Colgan would never fly another plane to these outstations overnight. And most outstations have only 4 or 5 rampers that have worked there for awhile, and we all get to know pretty well.
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Something doesn't vibe here;)

maybe its the difference between Beech Colgan and Saab Colgan. Beech Colgan did some weird ass crap. Haven't been around Saab Colgan enough to see weird stuff, but they did bring a Captain America Slaab from Dulles up the other day. The Saab crews do weird crap too.

As for thread relevance, when I was a bag humper in BGR it seemed like 2/3rds of the crews that knew they were taking the same airplane out (CDO, RR, etc) left their junk on the plane. The TSA rule came out before April of 2007 (when I left). I didn't give a #### about the bags, and the one TSA guy that worked at night was more concerned about watching porn than keeping the skies safe.
 
I always take it with me if I'm going to be leaving the airplane for more than a few minutes. We have all kinds of SSI in those things and I would not want to be responsible for losing it, not to mention the hundreds of hours I've spet keeping all those manuals current. I'm sure the company would charge me $500 bucks plus security fines to replace it should it be lost.
 
Funny thing about that, though...

All of our pubs are available on the company website, and I'm pretty sure the rampers can access it, as I can access all of their stuff, as well the flight attendants'. Of course, our company website was developed alongside ARPANET, and isn't the model for cutting edge secure websites. :)
 
OldTownPilot said:
Something doesn't vibe here;)

maybe its the difference between Beech Colgan and Saab Colgan. Beech Colgan did some weird ass crap. Haven't been around Saab Colgan enough to see weird stuff, but they did bring a Captain America Slaab from Dulles up the other day. The Saab crews do weird crap too.

As for thread relevance, when I was a bag humper in BGR it seemed like 2/3rds of the crews that knew they were taking the same airplane out (CDO, RR, etc) left their junk on the plane. The TSA rule came out before April of 2007 (when I left). I didn't give a #### about the bags, and the one TSA guy that worked at night was more concerned about watching porn than keeping the skies safe.
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Well our Saab Dulles stand ups are to places like BKW and PKB. In fact I think that currently those are the only ones we do anymore.

There would be no reason to have a crew fly in, and then have the crew swap planes. These outstations they just dont give a crap about. If you fly in a plane and its broken, they wont send in a new plane. Contract MX will be out to write the plane fixed in a manner to get it back to Dulles either part 91 or 121. If the plane is not able to be fixed by contract maintenance, the later flight will be run by the scheduled crew, and the early flight which was supposed to be done by the stand up crew will be delayed until it can go. I have seen 10am flights leave at 9pm, well after the other scheduled flights, just to get the completion.

Currently Colgan is hurting with regards to fixed UA Saabs. The other day they had 6 broken Saabs. If your plane breaks, your sitting with it. Im sure Pinnacle looks at this and just shakes their head and cant wait to be a Q400 only operator.
 
Take it with me. Normally, we've got 2-3 planes overnighting, so it's a crap shoot if you're even taking the same plane back out in the morning. That and I just don't trust people not to jack with my stuff. It's not like it's THAT big of a hassle to hook my bag onto the roller bag anyway.
 
v1valarob said:
There would be no reason to have a crew fly in, and then have the crew swap planes
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Most of the time it was the AUG crew that would go to HYA and back to swap out but for some weird reason one night they had a HYA crew repo up to AUG to swap out. That's why the AUG crew left their stuff in the plane because they weren't aware of the swap.
 
OldTownPilot said:
Something doesn't vibe here;)

maybe its the difference between Beech Colgan and Saab Colgan. Beech Colgan did some weird ass crap. Haven't been around Saab Colgan enough to see weird stuff, but they did bring a Captain America Slaab from Dulles up the other day. The Saab crews do weird crap too.
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I've certainly seen my share of weird Colgan happenings over the years.
 
v1valarob said:
Leave it in the plane. Colgan would never fly another plane to these outstations overnight. And most outstations have only 4 or 5 rampers that have worked there for awhile, and we all get to know pretty well.
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There were a few times when the Beech would break and they'd send in another one for the next morning. I will say though that I haven't seen them do this for awhile. This was back a couple of years.
 
beechpilot said:
I remember one time when a Colgan 1900 crew left their bags on the plane because they were to be the AM crew the next day. Unknown to them another crew flew in to swap planes but fortunately their bags were noticed and were put on the other Beech. Can you imagine coming in and going....."where did my bags go.............oh crap."
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That was me! I'm pretty sure I was with Tuck'N'Truck for that one, too. That sucked! It wasn't a CDO (knock on wood, I've never done one), we just finished late and were going to start early. I was doing my walk around in the hanger, but hadn't gone into the plane yet; noticed that some part of the flyaway kit that I had put on the night before was missing, walked into the cockpit, and all our stuff was gone! I hadn't even noticed the fact that it was a different tail until either you, Andy, or Brad came out and told me "oh ya, they came and switched planes a few hours ago."

I ran back over to the terminal where TNT was staring at the plane's logbook trying to reason why our previous day's flying was now replaced with some HPN crap. We both had a minor conniption until Nancy told us "oh ya, all your stuff is in the crew room; the guys that took the plane last night took it all out." OY! We had ferried to HYA at the end of the night a couple times that week, but for whatever reason this night they had the HYA crew come up to AUG. :panic:

Despite all that, I still leave my junk in the plane whenever I have reason to believe I'm going to be the next one to fly...I'm simply far too lazy to drag all that in if I don't have to, and I've never heard that it's illegal (for real illegal or just in the mind of the TSA). That's not to say they haven't recently decried it to be illegal (cause somehow the #### I flew around with all day is going to become dangerous over night :crazy:), but I certainly havn't heard about it.

You certainly were around for some of the best of it, Andy!
 
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