Cardinal Gear up landing

I saw this post and have been wondering...

If you have an emergency in the air with the airplane and your on a training flight with a student...when does the clock stop? Would you stop the clock so to speak at the time when you realize that you have an emergency or what?

If anyone has opinions or other comments I would love to hear them.

BTW, sorry if I hijacked this thread!
 
When I was working at a flight school we had a Citabria cough a valve into a piston and went down, the Student was not charged lol. They both survived.
 
Maddog1974 said:
I saw this post and have been wondering...

If you have an emergency in the air with the airplane and your on a training flight with a student...when does the clock stop? Would you stop the clock so to speak at the time when you realize that you have an emergency or what?

If anyone has opinions or other comments I would love to hear them.

BTW, sorry if I hijacked this thread!
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Depends a lot on school policy. When an engine croaked on me in the Twinstar, my student was not charged for a portion of the time...If my memory serves right, he got about .4 for free. He wasn't discounted the entirety of the flight because he did get quite a bit of training during the emergency. The only reason he DIDN'T fly the whole thing was that it was his second flight ever in the Twinstar.
 
I saw a duchess land with the nose wheel up once. The student and instructor got out fast and bolted away and than nothing happened so I thought it was funny but it was actually a good idea.
 
I had a partial power failure during the 2nd take-off on what was supposed to be a touch-n-go series, despite being a commercial student with over 200 hrs wasn't allowed to handle the emergency b/c my CFI went into panic mode, and got charged for the whole block. This a/c is a MX pit as well and has since had 2 more complete engine failures. I never scheduled that plane again.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
I figure if you have an actual emergency it should be gratis on general principle but thats just me.
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I agree. Had the engine on a 172 decide it didn't want its oil anymore, so it spit it all over the windscreen to show its displeasure. I got that flight for free.
 
Had a cherokee that decided it would crack open one of its cyliders for fun right after takeoff. Got the earlier portion of the flight for free.
 
PA44-LUV said:
I had a partial power failure during the 2nd take-off on what was supposed to be a touch-n-go series, despite being a commercial student with over 200 hrs wasn't allowed to handle the emergency b/c my CFI went into panic mode, and got charged for the whole block. This a/c is a MX pit as well and has since had 2 more complete engine failures. I never scheduled that plane again.
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The plane tried to kill you and they charged you for it? I'd give them a dollar and tell them to cherish it because its the last one they'll ever see from me.
 
i think i would have shut down the engine and tried to crank it to a horizontal position, and if the pump was still working tried to pull the mains up. but in the end everyone was safe so i :clap:
 
OregonTrail said:
i think i would have shut down the engine and tried to crank it to a horizontal position, and if the pump was still working tried to pull the mains up. but in the end everyone was safe so i :clap:
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You'd do all that on short final, while landing the plane?

No thanks.
 
Roger said:
You'd do all that on short final, while landing the plane?

No thanks.
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Eh, I wouldn't worry about the gear so much because it's probably going to get screwed over landing on it's belly anyway. As far as the engine, depending on the circumstances I might be tempted to give that a shot, realizing that I'm just going to pull the mixture on VERY short final and let the prop stop where it's going to stop. None of this goosing the starter nonsense.
 
TallFlyer said:
Eh, I wouldn't worry about the gear so much because it's probably going to get screwed over landing on it's belly anyway. As far as the engine, depending on the circumstances I might be tempted to give that a shot, realizing that I'm just going to pull the mixture on VERY short final and let the prop stop where it's going to stop. None of this goosing the starter nonsense.
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The flight school I went to had a 172RG, always having problems with the gear. One time the nose did not extend so student and CFI decided to circle until the FD could show up then land. They did stop the engine on short final but got lucky and got the prop stopped at the 3 and 9 position.

Another time a student had to take his belt off and let the CFI fly so he could reach back and wrangle the left main into the lock.

Kinda wish Cessna did a better job designing the gear system.
 
If it's a rental, screw the engine. I'm not potentially comprimising my life to soften the blow to their insurance.
 
cutting the mixture and cranking the engine to level the prop wont work in a cardinal. It continues to windmill.

I tried it the last time I flew a Cardinal with a gear problem. Dooh!

I've had a couple of near misses with students. They continue to fly the plane through the whole event. They get to learn a LOT from the situation and they have never had a problem paying for it. I suppose if they thought they should get a discount I'd work with them but nobody has ever asked. If I took the plane from them and told them to be quite then it would be a different story.

I got called by ATC to look for a downed ultra light last weekend. I was with an 8 hour pilot I had not flown with before. He flew the plane in orbits and I searched and communicated. He was thrilled and ecstatic after it was over, the ultra light pilot was fine and my student went home happy with turns around a point and search and rescue procedures logged in his book.
 
kiloalpha said:
The flight school I went to had a 172RG, always having problems with the gear. One time the nose did not extend so student and CFI decided to circle until the FD could show up then land. They did stop the engine on short final but got lucky and got the prop stopped at the 3 and 9 position.

Another time a student had to take his belt off and let the CFI fly so he could reach back and wrangle the left main into the lock.

Kinda wish Cessna did a better job designing the gear system.
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The school I did my training at had 5, '81 172RGs. They're piles to say the least. On one of my CFI training flights, I threw the gear handle up and nothing happened. I recycled the handle and still nothing happened. We still had 3 green so I decided to leave it alone since it was stuck in the most desired position. It seemed like the RG's were always in MX with gear problems.
 
Roger said:
Depends a lot on school policy. When an engine croaked on me in the Twinstar, my student was not charged for a portion of the time...If my memory serves right, he got about .4 for free. He wasn't discounted the entirety of the flight because he did get quite a bit of training during the emergency. The only reason he DIDN'T fly the whole thing was that it was his second flight ever in the Twinstar.
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do you fly out of longview? i was flying my route into tyler when i heard a twinstar with an engine out goin into GGG, wasnt you was it?
 
We had a 210 have a similar condition with the gear right after the powerpacks were replaced. it was a test flight at the MX field and the mech came out and had us recycle the master. Got the gear working again...
 
cmill said:
do you fly out of longview? i was flying my route into tyler when i heard a twinstar with an engine out goin into GGG, wasnt you was it?
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It was me or one of my colleagues. We've had 2 instances of landing with one shut down over the last 2 years.
 
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