Cae vs. FlightSafety
- Thread starter tlove482
- Start date
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
6 in one hand, half dozen in the other.
FSI isn’t even the same center to center honestly. Culture is different at each one.
That being said, they both gave constant change, and turn over. Regulatory changes and rules mean non stop changes.
Burn out is pretty high, but it take the right person for the job.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
moxiepilot
Well-Known Member
All depends on management and your personal goals. You can have great bosses and decent schedules or not. It all comes down to communication and what you do to stand your ground for your goals
tlove482
Well-Known Member
Is the burn out because of being overworked?
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
When pilot hiring goes up, people leave the training center- at the same time though, training booking goes up. Making sure all the boxes are checked, prep prop and post sim, constant change requirements die to center management, government etc.
If the centers are having a hard time staffing, the schedules can get pretty crappy. Sims will run 23 hours a day if they can. 8/24 still applies, but that doesn’t mean you won’t have early and late starts in the same day.
I probably wouldn’t go back right now, but, everybody has different goals
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
I worked at both in different capacities. Each program is essentially ran independently. Different programs in the same building often have wildly different schedules and pay.
tlove482
Well-Known Member
Thanks so much for the thorough write up. I'm trying to see is it worth it. I'm all for hard work, but I don't like overtime so if that's mandatory then that would be a deal breaker for me. I'm trying to find out if it's worth me putting an app in. I'd hate to waste my time and theirs if I already know it won't work for me.
tlove482
Well-Known Member
Would you recommend one over the other?
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
No, but if you’re still able to fly, do that.
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
We have CAE here in greater PHX. I see/hear them flying around the valley all the time. When I was doing my multi last week, I'd see them all the time up ay KGYR. What CAE location are you looking at?
tlove482
Well-Known Member
dustoff17
Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
I worked at FSI and have to agree with what others have posted; program-to-program are vastly different (and they shouldn't be). The pay and expectations are as varied as the programs; you may be paid less (or more) than the person hired the same day into the same program. Placement into specific programs are political rather than by experience. NO ONE cares about your personal goals and what you're willing to put into the program.
AND....most importantly, once you start in a specific program, you may be "locked in" for your career, it costs a lot of time, energy, and money to train you in a program so they aren't jumping at the chance to move you up to a better paying, more interesting one. It is cheaper for them to hire in a new person for a vacancy (even pay them more) than to move a current employee.
This is my personal experience and knowledge of the inner workings of FSI; other than attending an initial, I have no knowledge of CAE. If you're considering an FSI program at a Textron Flight Safety facility, be careful; the President runs this entire Company like a personal club for his friends.
AND....most importantly, once you start in a specific program, you may be "locked in" for your career, it costs a lot of time, energy, and money to train you in a program so they aren't jumping at the chance to move you up to a better paying, more interesting one. It is cheaper for them to hire in a new person for a vacancy (even pay them more) than to move a current employee.
This is my personal experience and knowledge of the inner workings of FSI; other than attending an initial, I have no knowledge of CAE. If you're considering an FSI program at a Textron Flight Safety facility, be careful; the President runs this entire Company like a personal club for his friends.
BravoHotel
Well-Known Member
CAE has physical airplanes? Huh. Learn something new everyday.
Last edited:
its the Oxford birds, out here.
moxiepilot
Well-Known Member
DFW is interesting depending on your platform. Seems to be a lot of whining but that was probably from understaffing
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
My experience at Textron FSI ICT as a student, well, the flight training was actually pretty good, the ground training was not pretty good. But that's n = 1.
Without giving too much away, many of the instructors related most of the sentiments expressed in this thread regarding workloads, burnout, and the like; it would seem that their shortages and struggles are like everything else labor-wise in aviation: not enough people and not enough money, too much work.
DE727UPS
Well-Known Member
How does FSI handle right seat support? Specially interested in CRQ. I'm not looking for a full time instructing job but just curious if they have interns or whatever that can do seat support. I suppose most two pilot crews train together, so the need for seat support might be rare.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
I worked there for a while. You’ll be overworked and way underpaid. They’ll force you to work doubles and days off at their convenience. Sometimes they’ll pay an extra $400 for those, but they attached a lot of strings. This info is a few years old, but probably still relevant. Your quality of life and happiness is entirely dependent on your program manager. A JCer manages the Phenom program. He’s a good guy and runs a good program.