CA ATC Radar down?

khysanth

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My friend who works at JetBlue with me just called to tell me that "ATC radar in CA is down due to a power outage."

Now, i'm not sure if it's down in ALL of CA or anything, but I know that flights are being diverted away from at least Long Beach airport.

Anyone else have any news on this? Seems like a bid deal. I'm going to step outside and see if I can find any planes on final to LAX in the distance.
 
The "word" is all over my union's website.

But in the macro, what's the point of hustling if there's no financial incentive involved? We ARE capitalists, btw.
 
first power at lga to day then this......


FAA: Power outage at high-altitude radar monitoring center grounds flights at Los Angeles area airpor
 
Just heard on Fox News (such a reliable source :sarcasm: ) that it's the ZLA ARTCC in Palmdale that lost power.
 
Hello,

I was on an IFR flight plan from LAS-VNY in PA 34-200.
After departing the Las Vegas, NV terminal area I was switched over to
LA Center. Within 15 min. on freq. went silent. At first I thought I lost comm. I went back to Vegas app. who notified me that a power and phone outage at ZLA Center was out. That I was going to be given a freq. to contact (ALBQ) and resume normal reporting points in non-radar enviornment. As I am out of their range but they would be able to handle comms with me till I got closer and was given SOCAL :) WOW!
 
ATCSCC ADVZY 011 ZLA 07/19/06 GROUND STOP
DESTINATION: ZLA
FACILITIES INCLUDED: 12WWEST
EXPECT UPDATE: 0200Z
REASON: ZLA EQUIPMENT, ATC ZERO
REMARKS: ALL FLIGHTS TO AND THRU ZLA ARE STOPPED. EXPECT ENROUTE
HOLDING AND DEPT DLAS THRU ZLA UNTIL EQUIPMENT RETURNS.
190119-190200
06/07/19 01:20
 
I'm sitting here doing hot PHX and the LAX, LGB, and ONT flights to SDF are more than 30 minutes late. Must be a mess...
 
Thanks to the great leadership of Marion Blakey we find our FAA and NAS in this mess.

First a non-tract, now a failing NAS. I'm not surprised.
 
surreal1221 said:
Thanks to the great leadership of Marion Blakey we find our FAA and NAS in this mess.

First a non-tract, now a failing NAS. I'm not surprised.
It goes way before the time of Blakey.
 
Glad I made it into SNA on my overnight before it all went down. I'm sitting here at home. Gotta love the overngihts that are close to home.
 
Champcar said:
It goes way before the time of Blakey.

Yes, you are correct with that. The FAA's 'tombstone' mentality and complete lack of leadership has been an on going problem. However, Blakey and the current leadership have done nothing of significance to rectify this problem. Rather, they have alienated their work force and created a great divide between employees and managers.

Hundreds of million spent irresponsibly on 'programs' that have resulted in, well, nothing. It is quite remarkable that our Air Traffic Controllers have provided such a stellar safety record given some of the archaic equipment they are left to function with.
 
Just got in from work! What a huge mess. Our 6:18 pm departure left SMX at 11 pm, 8pm flight canceled, and our 11:40pm arrival from LAX arrived at 2 am this morning!

Ahhh! Im exhausted I cant look at another computer screen...my fingers hurt from rebooking pax...and my voice hurts from talking with dispatch every 10 min or so. Time for bed.
 
FOX 5 this morning here in LAS: It was a car that crashed into a power box near Palmdale. That is amazing that something so little can cause such a widespread problem.
 
it wasnt the airport atc that went down, it was Los Angeles center radar above 13,000 ft. so big jets gould not depart casuing traffic jam on the taxiways, however, smaller planes were able to take off and land that could stay under 13000
 
MASSIVE POWER, COMMUNICATIONS FAILURE AT MAJOR AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL CENTER
PUTS CONTROLLERS IN DARK, FLIGHTS IN JEOPARDY

PALMDALE, Calif. – A massive power and communications failure late Tuesday at the Los Angeles Air Route Traffic Control Center left scrambling air traffic controllers to deal with a nightmare scenario – how to keep dozens of flights away from each other above a large swath of the Southwestern United States despite the inability to see them, talk to them or relay crucial instructions for 15 excruciatingly long minutes.
Every ounce of skill, heart and determination that controllers bring into the control room every day was put to the test during one of the worst outages to ever hit the facility. It was so bad, controllers say, that the only thing they had of use to aid the situation that actually worked was their cell phones – devices which the Federal Aviation Administration, inexplicably, has barred from control rooms, further impeding the safety of the system.

“We were completely dead in the water,” said Bob Marks, Western Pacific regional vice president of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association. “We lost everything and could not talk to our airplanes for those 15 minutes. Our controllers were frantically picking up cell phones and calling air traffic control facilities around the region, including Bakersfield Approach, High Desert Terminal Radar Approach Control, Albuquerque Center and Southern California TRACON, asking them to expand the range of their radar scopes and let L.A. Center controllers know if anyone was in danger of a collision.”

Delays mounted by the hundreds for thousands of air travelers, another bad day in what has become a miserable summer. But more importantly, the margin of safety was the casualty of Tuesday’s event as controllers’ heroic efforts and ingenuity prevented a catastrophe. “They used their wits, their guile, and yes, their management-prohibited cell phones,” NATCA President John Carr said.

In predictable, but no less maddening and irresponsible fashion, the Federal Aviation Administration reacted to the event with its timeless classic response: “Safety is never compromised.” But in this case, the facts prove otherwise, and travelers know better, Carr said.

“If radar and radios are not necessary to ensure safety, then shut 'em off permanently, and let's save a ton on the utility bill,” Carr stated. “If outages are insignificant or inconsequential, let's get rid of all this burdensome equipment and revert to the safe haven of manual air traffic control. If the answer is always going to be ‘safety was never compromised,’ then don't even bother meeting with the media. With fraudulent misrepresentations like that, you can just mail them in every time there's a critical safety-related outage.”
 
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