C182 VS Cirrus 22

[ComplexHiAv8r]

well, if both alternators trying to tear themselves off the plane is considered electrical, then they have had electrical problems i kind of lumped all problems as mechanical, thinking about it now there's been a mix of mech/elec. problems from what i hear

Yes, ALT failure I consider Electrical. Had a ALT1 failure with the bird I am flying. Mechanical to me is Engine and airframe idems. Did both ALTs go near each other?

 

[CFIse]

Our local FBO said they would like a C182 or Cirrus 22 on lease back. We were considering doing it depending on opperating costs and such. what would the pros and cons of either plane be. coments are greatly appreciated.

Neither plane, run purely as an investment, will be profitable for you (otherwise the FBO would be doing it).

So the question is, what plane do YOU want to own, because that's the only reason to buy a plane. Putting a plane on leaseback is a way to REDUCE your operating cost, but you'll still be net dollars out at the end of each month, so if YOU'RE not enjoying the plane whats the point.

 

[DE727UPS]

"Then I have to ask the question, why is your school training in them?"

Lot's of fancy gizmo's, which appeal to the window shoppers. A parachute to save the day, which actually lowers insurance costs and gives peace of mind. Or maybe they just got a good deal on them...

 

[CFIse]

Then I have to ask the question, why is your school training in them?

Because Cirrus is absolutely desparate to get the planes into the training fleet because without a training fleet base they are a) having a hard time exposing people to flying them and b) getting killed (literally and figuratively) by the insurance companies putting low time, no time in type people in new planes.

I was last involved in this a year ago, and the Cirrus people were about an inch short of giving us a plane on leaseback at a rate we set just so we'd have one on the line. I'd be surprised if they haven't moved that inch by now.

 

[meritflyer]

"Then I have to ask the question, why is your school training in them?"

Lot's of fancy gizmo's, which appeal to the window shoppers. A parachute to save the day, which actually lowers insurance costs and gives peace of mind. Or maybe they just got a good deal on them...

Cirrus are actually one of the most expensive aircraft to privately insure.

 

[XLR99]

There was an article in AOPA last year(?) in which they compared insurance costs of an SR22 and 182; I think for the same hypothetical pilot it was like 10k vs 3k a year. Ouch. The difference may have come down since they did that article, though.
Take it as hearsay, but from people I've talked to you want something that will fly constantly to make a viable leaseback, like a 172/PA28. That also means something you're not too attached to for when renters beat it up.

 

[Screaming_Emu]

I just started flying the SR20 for my CFII training and I absolutely love it. That being said, 3 out of the 4 planes that we have here are in Mx right now. I dont have any experience in the 182, but man I love the cirrus. Its comfortable, Pretty natural feeling to fly, its pretty easy to fly even when you're sitting back in yoru seat. I dont quite see how having a chute helps drastically drop insurance rates though. Yeah, it'll save the occupants, but the plane is trashed.

 

[ComplexHiAv8r]

There was an article in AOPA last year(?) in which they compared insurance costs of an SR22 and 182; I think for the same hypothetical pilot it was like 10k vs 3k a year. Ouch. The difference may have come down since they did that article, though.
Take it as hearsay, but from people I've talked to you want something that will fly constantly to make a viable leaseback, like a 172/PA28. That also means something you're not too attached to for when renters beat it up.

The issue is that you are compairing a 230hp to a 310hp. The 200hp SR20 has about the same performace numbers of the 182. In working with insurance, the 182 was still cheaper and I could go and get it without checkout (but I have 20+ hrs in a 182). I needed the checkout in the SR20. After checkout the insurance is only about $200 more for the first year. I never even asked about insurance as the SR22 is at least $80,000 more to purchase. The company couldnt afford to do that. It didnt stop us for test flying a few, including a G2