C-208 F/O position in Hawaii

Stone Cold

Stone Cold

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Pacific Wings Airlines Product/Service:
Location: Kahului, Maui HI Required Travel: None
Job Type: Full-time Employment Type: Permanent

Description:
C208B First Officer Private Kahului, Maui HI Pacific Wings Airlines Limited seeks a C208B First Officer in Maui, Hawaii. This is not a pay for training job.

Requirements:
We are seeking 350-900 hour Pilots wishing to build time to qualify for Captain at 1200 hours. You will get a seniority number upon successful completion of checkride. You will be trained in all aspects of airline responsibilities, i.e. reservations, baggage handling, etc.

Company Benefits:

Contact Information:
Chief Pilot chill@pacificwings.com
Fax: 808-873-7920
Pacific Wings Airlines
 
Actually doesn't sound like a bad starting gig, depending on pay. It IS Hawaii......

Only 100 more hours, and I could actually apply for it......
 
can't log SIC time in a caravan can ya? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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can't log SIC time in a caravan can ya? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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I'd like to see their OPSPECs....
 
You could log all of the time on "dead legs." Thats what I do right now.... flying multi-engine trips, the plane is single pilot, but often times we fly places empty to pick up pax. and what not. For instance this weekend there was a 1.4 hr dead leg to St. Louis to pick up 2 in a Cheyenne and take them to Grand Rapids. Then we flew another 1.1 from GRR to Toledo, OH empty. You'd be amazed at how quickly it adds up!

Chris
 
I'm sure these guys are 121 as a scheduled operation. As such, as MTSU said, if their opspecs says you need a two pilot crew, you can log SIC so long as you rated as a SIC in that a/c. But because the 208 is less than 12,500, you wouldn't need a type rating in it to even act as PIC. I guess that means you could act as PF sometimes.
 
I don't want to start a flame war on logging, etc. but my understanding is as follows:

Part 91:empty legs, fly to your heart's content as long as legal to fly the A/C (typed, under 12,500, etc) and log it.

Part 135: you cannot log time as SIC if not required for the airplane as per the FAR's. It doesn't matter if the inurance requires it, if the regs don't require it for the airplane, you cannot log it. This includes empty flights going to or from picking pax up...it's still a 135 flight.

Subpart K: fractionals can write it into the ops man and then they would be required for SIC, so you may log SIC.

My point is, be careful putting items in your log book...know that it's allowed according to the FARs, not just somebody told you you could. You'll have to answer the questions the rest of your career as to why you have this in your log book.

I put this on since it's from a pay site and I'm paying, but not everybody should have to for jobs in this industry.

Just my thoughts...
Joe
 
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Part 135:

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I thought there was a clause in 135 (might be 121) that if you're carrying PAX, the plane either has to have some kind of autopilot or second pilot reqs. If this were a cargo op, I'd agree. However, it looks like either a charter, scheduled carrier or sightseeing op.
 
Kell,

Like I prefaced, I didn't want to get into a huge discussion as this is the wrong forum for it, and I will also say I am not an expert on the regs. I think you're right on the autopilot thing, but I just was making general statements for low-timers like myself to watch out for people trying to fudge things to help themselves and hurting the pilots in the long run. I know of quite a few people who are logging illegal or questionable things and trying to justify it, but in the long run they will pay in the interviews if they have to justify their logging of time.

This job sounds like just that...debatable logging of time. I put it on here for people to look at but also wanted to put a statement out there for people to be wary of all jobs that are too good to be true...especially if you are moving to Hawaii!!!

Maybe we should start a thread in pro pilot to discuss this...I've gotta run but will be back and see what the discussion is later on it.
 
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I thought there was a clause in 135 (might be 121) that if you're carrying PAX, the plane either has to have some kind of autopilot or second pilot reqs. If this were a cargo op, I'd agree. However, it looks like either a charter, scheduled carrier or sightseeing op.

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I can't remember. I do know that when my old buddy Bob Armstrong was killed in his 208, he was flying single-pilot 135 on a flight carrying pax from the Department of the Interior, who also perished. Now whether there was some clause such as "public use" or something like that I don't know.
 
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Caravan FO, you've got to be kidding... What's next? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Beech 1900 Flight Engineer?
 
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You will be trained in all aspects of airline responsibilities, i.e. reservations, baggage handling, etc.


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You're a mobile CSR. That's all it is.
 
Training in baggage handling?

Isn't it a lot like that song that the ranger in the Hanna-Barbara cartoons from the 70's taught the bears?

"pick it up, put it in the bin, bump bump, it's a lot of fun, it's a lot of fun..."
 
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Training in baggage handling?

Isn't it a lot like that song that the ranger in the Hanna-Barbara cartoons from the 70's taught the bears?

"pick it up, put it in the bin, bump bump, it's a lot of fun, it's a lot of fun..."

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I still know the dance...
 
I see Mickey the Rat's got you brainwashed! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif But good catch. I didn't seem like HB, but it certainly wasn't Warner!
 
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