C-172 Nosewheel Steering
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tgrayson
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On a subjective level, I get that, but I don't yet see a way to define on an objective level what "part of the aircraft" means. Lots of stuff on a Cessna is listed on the equipment list, but are still "part of the aircraft" in my subjective sense, such as stall warning horn and brakes.
Thinks like ailerons and rudder are not listed, because they are needed to meet airworthiness requirements.
sdfcvoh
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You know - I can't find it. I'm guessing that it is just policy at most places. Anyone?
...... Bueller......Bueller?
jtrain609
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If it's not in the MX book, it doesn't ground the aircraft.
Now let's talk about common sense: you write an aircraft up, have this written log of it and then go fly it. Then the FAA comes along and audits your flight school and says, "WTF were you doing flying around when it was documented that the aircraft was unairworthy?" Technically legal or not, you might have some explaining to do.
tgrayson
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Didn't think so.
I believe that Part 141 flight schools have that as a regulation, and, no doubt, 121 and 135 operations work this way. For Part 91 flights, though, what's written on the squawk sheet is not relevant, as long as the PIC determines that the aircraft is airworthy. I challenged our FSDO on this during one of their maintenance presentations to our flight school and they agreed, for what that's worth.
tgrayson
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Write ups rarely airworthiness issues. "#2 radio doesn't work", "heater doesn't work", "wheels squeak", etc. Grounding an aircraft for these items is silly.
Even if it's something like "engine rough", I want a chance to attempt to burn off the plugs before I agree that the aircraft can't be flown.
jtrain609
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Back off sparky, we're on the same page.
What do yout think is going to happen to you when somebody writes up "engine rough," you say, "Whatever, the guy that wrote that down doesn't know what he's talking about," and you depart. Shortly after takeoff, after what seemed like a normal run up, the engine tanks and you put the plane in a field.
The onus will be on you, even though the write up isn't a real, technical write up, because you flew an airplane when you were given advisement that the aircraft might not really be up to snuff. The radio? Whatever. The heater? Who cares. Rough engine? You might be right, the plugs could just be fouled up (happens all the time), but what if something goes wrong?
Depending on the inspector, the FAA may or may not play nice with you. We're not talking about legalities here, we're talking about common sense.
What do yout think is going to happen to you when somebody writes up "engine rough," you say, "Whatever, the guy that wrote that down doesn't know what he's talking about," and you depart. Shortly after takeoff, after what seemed like a normal run up, the engine tanks and you put the plane in a field.
The onus will be on you, even though the write up isn't a real, technical write up, because you flew an airplane when you were given advisement that the aircraft might not really be up to snuff. The radio? Whatever. The heater? Who cares. Rough engine? You might be right, the plugs could just be fouled up (happens all the time), but what if something goes wrong?
Depending on the inspector, the FAA may or may not play nice with you. We're not talking about legalities here, we're talking about common sense.
aloft
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This is the sort of unnecessary, disrespectful comment that's tearing this site apart. Knock it off, John.