C-130 Lifestyle.......

WannaGonnaC130

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I was wondering what the life-style was like on the C-130, for example what are the bathrooms like (or buckets), and what do you do to pass the time on long flights. I was just trying to see what I would have to endure with for my future office:laff: Thanks.
 
I was wondering what the life-style was like on the C-130, for example what are the bathrooms like (or buckets), and what do you do to pass the time on long flights. I was just trying to see what I would have to endure with for my future office:laff: Thanks.

Truthfully, it depends on which model/mission of the C-130 you're doing. Life aboard an AC-130 vs a slick C-130 vs an EC-130 are quite different.

Of course, they're all slow, so that part is the same. The bathroom buckets are in the back by the ramp.

And if in a J-model, there's two less bodies in the cockpit.
 
HeyEng, don't C-130 crews have different duty day limits than the C-5 and C-17 crews? Is there any difference in the length of your overnights in certain locations? Obviously you're a Fred guy, but why the 5 over the 130?
 
HeyEng, don't C-130 crews have different duty day limits than the C-5 and C-17 crews? Is there any difference in the length of your overnights in certain locations? Obviously you're a Fred guy, but why the 5 over the 130?

Yep, there are differences in the crew duty day. 130s always (unless something has changed) are "basic days" which can be up to 16 hours. C-5s and C-17s on missions are usually "augmented" which is a day up to 24 hours. The difference is that you have extra crew members and time to get naps in flight. -130s usually fly short legs, so it's hard to meet the minimum leg-time required for an augmented crew. Confused yet?!? HA!!!

No matter if you are basic or augmented, you always get a minimum of 12 hours off between flight duty periods (including meals, transportation and such, but NO less than 8 hours of an uninterrupted period for sleep).

Why -5s over -130s? I have had to stay in a tent a handful of times. I can't tell you how many times I have stayed at a Westin, Intercontinental, Ritz-Carlton, and such. -130 guys? It's the other way around. The C-5 quality of life is just MUCH better. I have flown in both worlds, and freddy wins it all HANDS DOWN!
 
Nice. Aside from the quality of life, what can you tell us about the quality of flying time? Tactical vs. oceanic, that kind of stuff? What did you like or dislike about being at the controls of either plane?
 
whimps need not apply... :bandit:

Herks are the red-headed bastard step children of the Air Force. We're not "gucci" like some others out there but it's still a great lifestyle; you will get dirty, you will sleep in tents, and may even have to spend a night or two in the Herky Hilton. That's all part of the charm of the 130 though.

Honestly though, the Air Force takes good care of aircrew no matter what community you're in.
 
As the others have said it depends on a number of things. Are you going O or E? Do you like flying everywhere at FL320 or does a 300ft low level through the mountains sound fun?

I've only got time in old E models, so I'm biased. But have known guys on all airframes from -5's, 141's, 17's and just about every flavor of 130 there are. All said there are good things and bad things about each airframe.

If you want some info on being an O, you can find some info over at baseops.net. Just do a good search before spouting off questions.

Oh, and the honey bucket is as MikeD stated, a bucket with a trashbag in the back. If your lucky there is even a curtain to put up after takeoff. And there is an unwritten rule, he who uses the honey bucket, empties the honey bucket...

And HeyEng is slightly skewed in his views, see we get to stop every 8 hours or so for fuel, and beer where as he can A/R his way to wherever they are going to put the C-5 up on jacks for the next week.
 
I'm definitely interested in the C-130 world, and going in as a pilot/officer. I have an interview at a 130 unit coming up in June.

The low-levels, tactical, and formation flying sound awesome. Like you all have said - good and bad things to each bird, but it seems like the Herk has a constantly changing and challenging mission. Plus the 300 ft. low-level sounds fun, and I hear they have a guy in the valleys of Arkansas shooting huge bottle rockets during training. Any truth to that rumor?

From what I've gathered, there's still some amount of "dozing for dollars" going on in any sort of trans-oceanic flying. Is this correct?

To the Herk pilots/crewmembers on reading through this, are there ever any days you sit and think, "This completely sucks"?

Thanks for all the input.
 
I will say one thing that's positive about the Herc over Fred:

On their transatlantic trips, they take 2 or 3 stops in kick ass places. St. Johns, and I think I recall hearing Ryekidivivivick. However you spell that Iceland city. All this whereas Freddy blasts off and does the trip straight through, mx permitting. :)

C130s do 4 month rotations in the desert. AFRC used to allow units to split their rotation, IE one crew do 2 months, then swap them, but I heard that they're trying to can that. BOHICA. Freddy guys do trips that are usually supposed to last 5-7 days, but can end up being several weeks if you break and TACC decides it's more cost effective to leave a crew in Hawaii, Guam, or Germany on Man Days collecting per diem than it is to just send the part needed. Tough luck there. :bandit:

How'd the Bradley interview go? And "2" on wannago's question.
 
A buddy of mine is an MC-130 driver, going the Herk route dragged UPT out a ridiculously long time for him, mostly due to how the Navy runs things at Corpus. With no training recycles whatsoever, he got his wings several months after his classmates who went to T-38s or T-1s. Took him nearly 4 years to go from commissioning at the Zoo to Mission-Ready status, due almost entirely to training scheduling delays.
 
On their transatlantic trips, they take 2 or 3 stops in kick ass places. St. Johns, and I think I recall hearing Ryekidivivivick. However you spell that Iceland city. All this whereas Freddy blasts off and does the trip straight through, mx permitting. :)

That's what I've heard from the C-130 squadron I visited. Nice layovers (St. John's, Iceland, Ireland, England, a combination of these) and a good time. It sounds pretty enjoyable.


How'd the Bradley interview go? And "2" on wannago's question.

I have the Bradley interview plus two more in New England between June 6th and 10th. I'll be busy up there all week and it should be a blast.

One thing I'll say to anyone rushing squadrons - it's definitely a confidence boost to get an interview letter that says, "Here are the directions to our squadron. We are looking forward to meeting you." . . . And knowing that you're already one step ahead on the visiting/meeting part of things.

-J
 
Hey FF, so are you trying to go the C-17 track or what?

I sent you an SMS earlier, but no love for the DT.
 
The C-5 quality of life is just MUCH better. I have flown in both worlds, and freddy wins it all HANDS DOWN!

The Herk guys actually get to log flying hours, though, rather than just collect per diem while the airplane sits on the ramp broken.
 
This has been around in various formats. But this one is relevant for this thread.....

Dover AFB, DE-
A National Guard C-130 Hercules landed here early this morning winning an unprecedented cross-country race with a strategic airlift C-5. The Galaxy is expected in late tomorrow following a delay when the aircraft toilet could not be repaired within four hours of scheduled takeoff at Peterson Field, CO.

The race, run between Travis AFB, CA and Dover AFB, DE was dubbed the "Mission-Hacker's Marathon" and was filled with planned command-post obstacles throughout the 10-base route. The race required each aircraft to go through the various locations and upload/download cargo and personnel under challenging conditions.
The Galaxy’s crew was contacted at Peterson Field just before entering crew rest with the toilet problem. The C-5's aircraft commander stated "We knew it was a critical time for such a malfunction, and it probably cost us the race, but what could we do. . .it just wouldn't flush." "Please congratulate the C-130 crew for us," she added.

The Hercules had been running approximately four bases ahead of the Galaxy throughout the race due to various turns of events. At the very first station, the C-5 crew took off two hours late when fleet service failed to bring creamer for the coffee. Forced to remain overnight at their next stop due to a runway that unfortunately closed following a C-17 landing gear up, the Galaxy crew was thrown even further behind when they refused rooms they considered substandard. "The decor in that hotel was atrocious. I mean, there were green curtains with blue carpet," the aircraft commander fumed, adding that "Pretty soon, they'll expect us to sleep in tents!" The acceptable hotel rooms were 75 miles from the base however, and forced a late takeoff the following day.

At one point in the race it appeared the strategic airlift crew had turned the race around when a protest filed by the crew's parent wing commander, Col Norman Schaule, was accepted by the Navy's Ltjg Jack W. Shelton, Jr. "I thought it unfair that the valid delays we took should penalize us when the C-130 crew was virtually invulnerable to them," explained Col Schaule regarding the protest. "I mean, Herk crews drink yesterday's coffee and don't even care if they sleep in a bed. They just don't understand the philosophy of modern stratigic airlift. You can't compete with that type of mentality," he finished.

Once the protest was accepted, the C-130 was forced to fly the remainder of the race with the ramp down, the door open and pulling deployed A22 chutes behind the aircraft. The C-5 began to make up ground rapidly and actually tied the Hercules on the seventh stop despite another fleet service delay (no salad dressing in the box lunches). The telling blow, however, came in Colorado.

The C-130 aircraft commander, Lt I. M. Parochial, namesake of his granpaw, was interviewed after the flight. "Shucks, I'm just glad I could win this one for granddaddy," the 125 hour aircraft commander said, happily adding, "you know, we were really lucky because the same things that happened to the other crew could have happened to us.
Luckily, however, none of us had any money to buy any coffee or box lunches, 'cause we lost it all in a poker game just before the race. I can really sympathize with their toilet problem too, because our loadmaster forgot to bring the plastic liners for the "honey bucket" and we couldn't even use ours. As for the rooms, we brought our tents with us. Guess you could just say we got lucky on this one."
 
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