C-130 Crash in Tehran
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I read about this earlier this morning. It remindes me of stories about a military aircraft crashing into a hotel in Indianapolis years ago. This sounds like it was either a gas station or somthing else, and the pilot picked somthing else. Very sad indeed. I can't even imagine being that crew.
Aero_Engineer
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How many more people especially civilians should die untill United States gives up being a tight a** so Iran can buy spare parts and also new planes from either Boeing or Airbus.
The funny thing is they are sad for the lost lives but United States Navy was the one who shot an airliner with more than 200 people inside claiming they thought it was an F 14 Tomcat that belonged to Iranian Air Force.
It is just sad, because I love this country so much but when I see something like this getting repeated again and again it makes me doubt everything.
The funny thing is they are sad for the lost lives but United States Navy was the one who shot an airliner with more than 200 people inside claiming they thought it was an F 14 Tomcat that belonged to Iranian Air Force.
It is just sad, because I love this country so much but when I see something like this getting repeated again and again it makes me doubt everything.
GaTechKid
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So the United States crashed that airplane huh? Oh wait, so due to an embargo Iran can't purchase the parts that would have prevented this aircraft from crashing? So the United States authorized the flight to occur?
You'll want to read the history of US-Iranian relations from about 1979 and on to find out why the US is so "tight-a**" with Iran. But if you are of Iranian descent you probably already know this. Perhaps you just need to look at the issue from the US perspective.
alphaone
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This was an accident man, I don't think we should turn this into an international political opinion fight....And whether the US is withholding parts from Iran or not is a mute point, for if the airplane was not airworthy and did not have something working on the MEL isn't it the PIC's job to catch that and NOT fly??Aero_Engineer said:
Chris_Ford
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Aero_Engineer said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-Iran_relations
:sitaware:
Stop building the bomb, we'll end the sanctions. There's the pocket-sized version of US policy for Iran.
Aero_Engineer
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I am not gonna start a heated political argument, but just as a reminder for you guys in case you don't UNDERSTAND politics. Israel is the only country in middle east equipped with weapons of mass destruction and United States is the only country on earth's histroy that has actually used atomic bombs to murder innocent people.
And also when you say USA crashed the plane, yes they did in an indirect way by not selling the parts of a plane made by them twenty something years ago. And if you want to blame Europe you can't because at this moment there are a number of A330s and A340s in Koln ready to be delivered to Iran Air but they are not because US is being TIGHT A**.
And for your information there is a huge size and whole mechanism difference between a F 14 and an Airbus 300 airliner so the dumass Navy Captain who ordered the shoot down must have not had proper sizing abilities.
At the end I want to mention that I love this country (USA) and I absolutely hate the government of Iran but not the people. What pisses me off is the ignorence I get from Americans who believe what they see or they are told. Didn't we start the mess (The War) that we are in right now on the fact that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Did he? answer this question and you will understand why you are being played by the government-influenced media in this country.
Peace Always`
Armen
And also when you say USA crashed the plane, yes they did in an indirect way by not selling the parts of a plane made by them twenty something years ago. And if you want to blame Europe you can't because at this moment there are a number of A330s and A340s in Koln ready to be delivered to Iran Air but they are not because US is being TIGHT A**.
And for your information there is a huge size and whole mechanism difference between a F 14 and an Airbus 300 airliner so the dumass Navy Captain who ordered the shoot down must have not had proper sizing abilities.
At the end I want to mention that I love this country (USA) and I absolutely hate the government of Iran but not the people. What pisses me off is the ignorence I get from Americans who believe what they see or they are told. Didn't we start the mess (The War) that we are in right now on the fact that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Did he? answer this question and you will understand why you are being played by the government-influenced media in this country.
Peace Always`
Armen
Theotokos
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I admit I do not know much about life in Iran to be quite frank and perhaps the reason many Iranians are here is to escape it. We should welcome and not judge them all as terrorists. That is all I am going to say. America was supposed to be a place to find relgious freedom from the dictatorship of the Church of England, at least for some. Let it be a place of refuge for all, Arab or Oriental, black or white or hispanic
FlyNavy
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1) Since when is it our responsibility to supply a potential adversary? Those planes were sold to the pre-revolutionary government, if you'll remember.
2) Could you educate me about the "sizing abilities" of a 1988 era SPY-1 radar?
That was a tragic incident that is a case study in how not to make decisions under pressure for thousands of young military officers today. Here is a very good review for those who'd like the detailed account.
http://dolphin.upenn.edu/~nrotc/ns302/20note.html
Aero_Engineer said:
2) Could you educate me about the "sizing abilities" of a 1988 era SPY-1 radar?
That was a tragic incident that is a case study in how not to make decisions under pressure for thousands of young military officers today. Here is a very good review for those who'd like the detailed account.
http://dolphin.upenn.edu/~nrotc/ns302/20note.html
Gonzo
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Aero_Engineer said:
What does this fact have to do with this plane crash.
Aero_Engineer said:
Seeing how this is December 7 maybe you need to remember why the US was FORCED to use atomic bombs
Aero_Engineer said:
If a plane is unsafe it should not be flown.
Aero_Engineer said:
I blame Airbus for allowing Iran Air to order their planes with GE engines on them. I blame Iran Air for ordering the planes with the GE engines knowing they would never receive the planes.
Aero_Engineer said:
Reading your previous posts I did not realize you had combat experience on a navy vessel. It's very easy to question someone's decision while sitting on your couch. Especially about a situation you'll hopefully never find yourself in.
Aero_Engineer said:
Unfortunately it's hard to punish a government without punishing the people.
Aero_Engineer said:
The thing that pisses me off is people who think they deserve to know the whole story or people who think they can handle the whole story. I don't believe everything I see on the news or I'm told.
Aero_Engineer said:
Actually we didn't start the war. You can always ask Mike how many people he knows were fired on while patrolling the no-fly zone.
Aero_Engineer said:
There are many good drug rehabilitation centers in the United States. I advise you look one up quickly.
GaTechKid
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Does anyone know of another country that supplies a hostile government with food and medicine for its people? And Armen is mad because we won't supply this anti-american rhetoric spouting government with parts for its military aircraft? I don't for a minute think that my country is a shining example for what a perfect government would look like, but we sure as hell are better and more altruistic than any other world dominator in the history of civilization. Really, who builds up the economies of their defeated foes?
Lavatory?
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Aero_Engineer
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Guys`
I thought over what I said when I was lying in my bed last night, I admit it I was a little bit harsh and out of line. So I am sorry, I apologize if I offended anyone. But most of the victims were young reporters going to south of Iran, my friend who is still back there works for one of those agencies, I haven't heard any news about him yet, that is why I was so pissed off last night.
Excuse me for my ignorance, I do not want to make enemies out here, I wanna find friends. You have to understand that I do not give a damn about the government of Iran and anything related to it including the airforce but I do get sad that civilians loose their lives because the governments can't get over themselves.
Again this is an aviation related forum and we are off the topic, so please once again accept my apologies and I don't think as one of you said is good for me to go to a rehab center, over all I want to be a pilot and those things are a no no in my life.
I also have to mention that being a Navy fighter pilot has been a long time dream of mine and sorry that I came off being too harsh on you Navy guys, I still love this country and anything that is going to keep this freedom alive.
Peace Always`
Armen
I thought over what I said when I was lying in my bed last night, I admit it I was a little bit harsh and out of line. So I am sorry, I apologize if I offended anyone. But most of the victims were young reporters going to south of Iran, my friend who is still back there works for one of those agencies, I haven't heard any news about him yet, that is why I was so pissed off last night.
Excuse me for my ignorance, I do not want to make enemies out here, I wanna find friends. You have to understand that I do not give a damn about the government of Iran and anything related to it including the airforce but I do get sad that civilians loose their lives because the governments can't get over themselves.
Again this is an aviation related forum and we are off the topic, so please once again accept my apologies and I don't think as one of you said is good for me to go to a rehab center, over all I want to be a pilot and those things are a no no in my life.
I also have to mention that being a Navy fighter pilot has been a long time dream of mine and sorry that I came off being too harsh on you Navy guys, I still love this country and anything that is going to keep this freedom alive.
Peace Always`
Armen
Bigey
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Okay, being that i am persian, the whole US IRAN talk i'll leave out.
But for in fact...i dont want anyone to get offended, but if anything - the USA was the one that did not bring down this plane. There is a higher chance the IRANIAN government did so. Look at early pictures, there are bulldozers already demolishing the building right after it crashed.
Dont start putting the blame on the USA. Yes, they dont give them parts, but Iran has always been able to obtain it from different sources, or make their own. So dont satrt saying the part thing, its dumb. Iran is doing this kinda of thing to just push people against the US and the embargo. Yes i agree, its dumb, also i dont know if you all know, but Iran is getting the stuff to build the SUPPOSED nuclear weapons from pakistan. Why is nothing being done against pakistan since they are supposedly supplying us with whatever.
End of political stuff, lets get back on topic guys. A airplane crashed which is so unfortunate and people have lost their lives, lets keep a lil dignity aye?
But for in fact...i dont want anyone to get offended, but if anything - the USA was the one that did not bring down this plane. There is a higher chance the IRANIAN government did so. Look at early pictures, there are bulldozers already demolishing the building right after it crashed.
Dont start putting the blame on the USA. Yes, they dont give them parts, but Iran has always been able to obtain it from different sources, or make their own. So dont satrt saying the part thing, its dumb. Iran is doing this kinda of thing to just push people against the US and the embargo. Yes i agree, its dumb, also i dont know if you all know, but Iran is getting the stuff to build the SUPPOSED nuclear weapons from pakistan. Why is nothing being done against pakistan since they are supposedly supplying us with whatever.
End of political stuff, lets get back on topic guys. A airplane crashed which is so unfortunate and people have lost their lives, lets keep a lil dignity aye?
CapnJim
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Bigey, quick question, please don't take it the wrong way:
I noticed you referred to yourself as Persian, but... we stopped calling Iran Persia in 1935. What gives with the Persian thing? I ask only because I have other friends of Iranian descent who say the same thing.
I noticed you referred to yourself as Persian, but... we stopped calling Iran Persia in 1935. What gives with the Persian thing? I ask only because I have other friends of Iranian descent who say the same thing.
GatorFC
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Interesting read. Fleshes out the details of how a chain of bad decisions can lead to a tragic event. In SeaSparrow "C" school, we were always reminded of the incident in the early 90's between the Saratoga and a Turkish frigate which also ended in tragedy as a result of poor decision making.FlyNavy said:
Persian_Pilot
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I really don't know what the hell i wanna say right now. I am still shocked.
from what i've heard the Capitan and the F/O declined to fly the plane. they claimed that it's unsafe . their manager or ( whoever was in charge ) Calls the reserve pilots . He tells passengers that he called the reserve pilots and they will fly the plane. he claimed that the reserve pilots have the ball to fly the plane !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also another thing, this one is pissinnnn me off so bad ,
Capitan declared an emergency with Mehrabad Tower but they were not cleared to land because IRan's President's ( Ahamdi Nejad ) plane , was on the runway or taxing to the runway .
but any ways 128 people lost their life because we have a stupid government ! that's all i can say
from what i've heard the Capitan and the F/O declined to fly the plane. they claimed that it's unsafe . their manager or ( whoever was in charge ) Calls the reserve pilots . He tells passengers that he called the reserve pilots and they will fly the plane. he claimed that the reserve pilots have the ball to fly the plane !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also another thing, this one is pissinnnn me off so bad ,
Capitan declared an emergency with Mehrabad Tower but they were not cleared to land because IRan's President's ( Ahamdi Nejad ) plane , was on the runway or taxing to the runway .
but any ways 128 people lost their life because we have a stupid government ! that's all i can say