British ex-pat checking in!

Welcome Mate!!

Well, I always had this doubt. Lufthansa recruits its ab-initio trainees in Germany(in Hamburg) to be precise and teaches them ground and some basics in Hs Bremen(Bremen Polytechnic)(where I did my engineering!!!!) but then they are flown to Arizona/pheonix for flying lessons as the weather in D-Land does not permit round the clock flying. So my doubt is will they receive a FAA licence which upon returning to Europe, they must convert it into a JAA? Well, I did ask a few of the students who were doing the course, but they themselves had no answer for it heheheh
 
I think it is down in the JARs that integrated training can be partially done outside a JAA member state, not modular although even that is possible under the UK CAA. At Oxford intergrated students do PPL and CPL training in the US before returning back to UK for for the IR training - all JAA. Again how I have understood UK CAA's interpretation is that basic flight training (PPL) can be given by a FAA CFI who has been trained to deal with JAA students but more advanced must be given by JAA FI. If that is done in the US you would then need both FAA and JAA licences.

However different CAAs read the regulations diffrently and I'm not quite sure how they do it in Germany or Belgium.
 
Hi all, thanks for the warm welcome.

Regarding the FAA-JAA conversion, I've done a little more looking, and it looks like there is more than one way to skin a cat.

I got the 2000 hours figure from a miliary pilot who is doing his last few years in converted (observer training) biz-jets. I think his requirement is for 2000 hours, with a type rating, 500 in that type, and he does his MEIR test in that type.

There are about 4 ways of going about it, and I'll be sure to post them up when I can write them down in a 'useful' way. You know how FARS/JAROPS are written!

I'm aware of Oxford, Lufthansa and Sabena (CAE Global) in the valley. I actually went to Oxford! It's how I met my wife!

Here's what I know of Oxfords training pipeline:

Before you come out to AZ, you do 6 months of groundschool, and knock out the ATPL theory exams.

Oxford at GYR has both 61 and 141 certificates, if that makes a difference, and to my knowledge, all they do is the one course for guys like me. It is conducted under FAR 61, and takes you from scratch all the way up to ME Commercial.

At about 45 hours, or PPL standard, you don't do a PPL checkride. Instead, you do what they call PT1 (practical test one). It is similar in content to a PPL ride, you just don't get a ppl out of it. On an integrated (141-style) course, you don't need a PPL to get a CPL.

After PT1, you do lots of XC solos, and then a few dual instrument lessons, then PT2, which is akin to a basic IR. It's basic maneuvers under the hoo, intercepting NBS, tracking, NDB holding, and NDB approach. It's a quick flight.

Then it's on to the multi. A few flights in the PA-34, then the ME/CPL ride. This is done with a CAA-approved examiner, unlike the previous 2 tests. Then it's back to the UK to hit the IR hard. To my knowledge, the IR must be done in the UK.

As for the instructors; I've spoken to Oxford, and it seems like they require their instructors to hold JAA and FAA instructor tickets. I'm not sure what part of the US-based training requires a JAA qualified instructor. Presumably the CPL training. I assume that Sabena and Lufthansa do something similar. I know the Lufthansa guys don't do any multi training out here, they just do bonanza flying, then return to Germany to finish off.

I can say that Oxford is a well-run organization. It's very busy, lots of students, lots of instructors, and carefully organized to run as smooth as possible.

I'd LOVE to work at any of the 'European' training establishments here, though I'm under the impression that they are tough gigs to get. On top of needing the JAR instructor tickets (I think), they require plenty of dual-given to be competitive. So it looks like it isn't your first instructor position. I certainly want to know more about it, however. When I revalidate my expired JAR ME/IR, I may look into a JAR instructor rating.
 
Welcome to the boards. I am not english but spent most of my childhood there. From my user name im sure you can figure out where i am from. Unlike the Welsh and English, Scotland are having a terrible time getting a win in the Six Nations.
 
That's a more informative post paps.. Lufthansa guys do their basic training and return back to fly ME and simulators in Bremen. They have got a huge building next to my uni full of complex simulators where in both Luftwaffe pilots as well as Lufthansa pilots get trained...Seems its pretty tough to finish off a JAA and a CFI with JAA
 
I have to say, I have a great adoration for Scotland, also. Good people, spectacular scenery, and if your a keen car-nut like me, some of the best driving roads in the world!

I still can't bring myself to cheer them on in the 6 nations, unfortunately!
 
Just thought I'd bump this up once more with my latest news; CFII passed last Wed, and CFI Single add-on passed on Friday. Life is weird when you don't have to carry the AIM around everywhere you go!

Now, time to find a job...
 
Just thought I'd bump this up once more with my latest news; CFII passed last Wed, and CFI Single add-on passed on Friday. Life is weird when you don't have to carry the AIM around everywhere you go!

Now, time to find a job...

That IS great! You seem to be catching on easily.
 
Well done!

Good luck in the job search and yes - Scotland has some fantastic roads!
My favorite has to be the stretch from Helensburgh to the "rest and be thankful" - serious bit of tarmac!

Saw the England/France game on BBC America - tough game!

Bp244
 
Welcome from another ex-pat (Spain).

Well, I guess that since I'm a US Citizen now, I'm actually an Ex-ex-pat :)
 
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