Boeing 737 With 56 Aboard Missing After Takeoff From Jakarta

NovemberEcho

Dergs favorite member
The "official" list is Su-24, six Su-25s, two MiG-29s, An-26, An-30 and Il-76 were shot down in the area. Il, 2/3 of 25th and I think one of the MiGs was low level stuff (<5km) but rest should have been a good enough of a reason to NOTAM the crap out of that airspace. Separatists had antiaircraft capability, and Ukrainians were getting very twitchy with the same due to second MiG allegedly being brought down by a Russian MiG.
yeah I think either the -26 or one of the Frogfoot’s was at like FL240 when it got shot down
 

Space Monkey

a law for the rich and another for the poor member
Well as I stated, the centralization may not happen, because it may not need to. Like the streets filled with horse poop that never happened you can't predict what engineering or sociological changes will occur. You can’t predict the just right condition we will need in a free wealthy country because the next generation will want the exact opposite. Rebels without a cause have a way of destroying plans.

My answer is the one you’ll like least, the market will decide. Cities will always be expensive and promising. Rural will always have benefits for the established. How many go where? Who knows. More importantly who cares. We aren't in the "Ministry of Central Planning" and there never will be one. You know what the dumbf k commies got wrong? There's no crystal ball, never was, never will be. Worrying about the future is like stringing beads with dryer lint.

You know what sucks about small towns? Bar Harbor is a good example, the same 12-16 people fornicate and swap with members of the same 12-16 people. The weird one bangs some kid way too young for her or a dad way too old for her, while the guy explores his secret gay side and they both get "punished" for it through shame- self imposed or otherwise. You know what sucks about big cities? No privacy, it stinks like garbage, and you're always broke. There's actually piles of good in both, like giant life satisfyingly great stuff in both big and small cities, but you gotta decide what you want at the time.

But my last point was about mammals and their need for "stuff". There's a good book you might enjoy trying to explain what the future will be like when wealth and resources double every couple years... *sigh* Accelerando, (TY @killbilly ) which I still haven't finished because it's too damn dense and I want to read the Dune books again. Wealth will continue to increase, probably at an increasing rate, and in times like these, the beginning of a revolution (tech instead of industrial this time) a lot of people are going to get left behind at first.
You know, I hear that kind of answer quite a lot. And every time I hear it, its cop-out sophistry sounds weaker and weaker.

No. No one can predict precisely where the plane is going to crash. But that doesn't matter. More profoundly, that's not the point.

The point is to know that if you light the plane on fire and keep stoking the flames... the plane IS going to crash.

But, hey, you just keep selling radiant heat, Butch. That's what you're good at. You free market folks just can't help be vexed by your delusional desires to sell the "warmth and comfort" of those flames to all those eager hipster consumers... ALL THE WAY DOWN.
 

mshunter

Well-Known Member

GypsyPilot

Well-Known Member
Previous employer:

”The Embraer 175 can’t stall because it has auto throttles.”

Me: -slowly dying-
Hmm. Can’t say I ever heard anywhere there say that.

Having been through a bunch of training programs at various places, I have to say I really think SkyWest did an excellent job with training. I’m sorry you had so many bad experiences there, that seems atypical.
 

Autothrust Blue

Commander Air Group, BSG-75
Hmm. Can’t say I ever heard anywhere there say that.

Having been through a bunch of training programs at various places, I have to say I really think SkyWest did an excellent job with training. I’m sorry you had so many bad experiences there, that seems atypical.
I actually agree with your assessment, on average, of their programs; the above view was NOT widely held but it WAS something I was told when I brought up objections to slow-ass cost index speeds. (It was all downhill from the Brasilia, but the E-jet was a pretty good program overall, and the CRJ...well, it was the CRJ.)

Not long after I was told that, they had their first high-altitude stall in the 175, and my response was “well no kidding.”
 

Richman

JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
Most 121 programs are highly variable, as it depends strongly on the instructor/check airman cadre.

If you have a strong program, where everyone is on the same page, with strong procedures, good mentoring and monitoring, chances are good it will be an excellent experience.

If it’s a program where everyone is out doing their own thing, teaching their own techniques, and it’s filled with people who should have moved on a few years ago, are buds of the program manager or are just hanging around for ego or “the good deal”, chances are good it won’t be much fun.
 

inigo88

Composite-lover
Not long after I was told that, they had their first high-altitude stall in the 175, and my response was “well no kidding.”
Considering the manufacturers have engineers that actually design these airplanes for specific mission profiles, the amount of discretion given to operators by POIs/FAA and the resulting rope they can subsequently hang themselves with has always kind of shocked me...
 

JordanD

Honorary Member
Hmm. Can’t say I ever heard anywhere there say that.

Having been through a bunch of training programs at various places, I have to say I really think SkyWest did an excellent job with training. I’m sorry you had so many bad experiences there, that seems atypical.
Me neither, but then again I was getting in around the time they were emphasizing not getting yourself into a slow speed event. I mean, the thing does have AOA limiting, but ultimately a wing is still a wing and physics are still a thing.
 

Autothrust Blue

Commander Air Group, BSG-75
Me neither, but then again I was getting in around the time they were emphasizing not getting yourself into a slow speed event. I mean, the thing does have AOA limiting, but ultimately a wing is still a wing and physics are still a thing.
The stall recovery is conventional, fly-by-wire or otherwise.
 
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