Big U.S. Airlines Fault Persian Gulf Carriers

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Excellent article in the Wall Street Journal the other day about the collaboration between Richard Anderson, Doug Parker, and Jeff Smisek concerning government subsidized Persian Gulf State Carriers.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/big-u-s-airlines-fault-persian-gulf-carriers-1423159003

I am happy to see these three CEOs coming together on a unified front, as their Pilots do, to fight for fair skies from this threat of these state subsidized airlines coming from the Middle East. Hopefully, with labor and management working together, we will fight this threat off.
 
Irrelevant, at least not until Emirates starts JFK-SFO.

With the exception of Israel, Delta's ATL-DXB and United's IAD-DXB, no US airline goes to the Middle East. Period. None to Bangladesh, Pakistan, and only 2 to India. These ME airlines connect North Americans through the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. Lets face it, if I have to go from New York to London, I am not going to go from JFK to Dubai to Heathrow. That routing is too crazy. I will be going on a US or European airline.


The only exception is JFK to MXP. I had the choice of Alitalia, Delta, American, and Emirates. Emirates and Delta were the same price and I went with Emirates.

But lets be honest, the ME airlines are connecting North American passengers to the Middle East, Africa, and Asia (esp. Subcontinent/Indian). US airlines are not doing that. The US markets connect heavily in all domestic operation, and Carribeans, Hawaii, Europe (a HUGE one), Central and South America, and far east Asia (Japan). That is the extent of the US airline operations.
 
As long as there are no more JFK-MXPs, the middle east Airlines are not much of a threat due to geography. Like Cherokee said, no business traveler is going to go JFK-LHR or SFO-NRT thru Dubai.

Poor European Airlines and Quantas. They are losing their shirt shoes and socks to Emirates, Qatar, Eithad. Although Turkish is mounting a strong uprising
 
Seggy said:
Excellent article in the Wall Street Journal the other day about the collaboration between Richard Anderson, Doug Parker, and Jeff Smisek concerning government subsidized Persian Gulf State Carriers.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/big-u-s-airlines-fault-persian-gulf-carriers-1423159003

I am happy to see these three CEOs coming together on a unified front, as their Pilots do, to fight for fair skies from this threat of these state subsidized airlines coming from the Middle East. Hopefully, with labor and management working together, we will fight this threat off.
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Ah, the threat of receiving quality service in modern American-built airplanes... The horror!
 
Trip7 said:
As long as there are no more JFK-MXPs, the middle east Airlines are not much of a threat due to geography.
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Don't you realize that's what they want to do? Start service between European cities and America? As well as TransPacific service?

Poor European Airlines and Quantas. They are losing their shirt shoes and socks to Emirates, Qatar, Eithad. Although Turkish is mounting a strong uprising
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It will be poor Delta, United, and American next unless we stop this threat.
 
Seggy said:
Don't you realize that's what they want to do? Start service between European cities and America? As well as TransPacific service?



It will be poor Delta, United, and American next unless we stop this threat.
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Thankfully, United and Delta (via Northwest) don't do Tokyo NRT to Hong Kong, Manila, Bangkok, Singapore, and other Asian cities/countries. That would be wrong. US airlines should have US hubs only. They have no business keeping a hub in a place like Tokyo and flying to top large Asian destinations. :rolleyes:


So you want it both ways or just one way?

= Hypocrite.
 
And don't start the post-WWII Japanese concessions to justify these hubs and flights. Fact remains US widebody airliners fly from a Japanese super hub to many large Asian destinations.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Thankfully, United and Delta (via Northwest) don't do Tokyo NRT to Hong Kong, Manila, Bangkok, Singapore, and other Asian cities/countries. That would be wrong. US airlines should have US hubs only. They have no business keeping a hub in a place like Tokyo and flying to top large Asian destinations. :rolleyes:


So you want it both ways or just one way?

= Hypocrite.
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Nothing hypocritical.

Those airlines aren't state subsidized like those from the Middle East are. They are competing within the rules laid out through the agreements in place without taking subsidizes from their governments.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Thankfully, United and Delta (via Northwest) don't do Tokyo NRT to Hong Kong, Manila, Bangkok, Singapore, and other Asian cities/countries. That would be wrong. US airlines should have US hubs only. They have no business keeping a hub in a place like Tokyo and flying to top large Asian destinations. :rolleyes:


So you want it both ways or just one way?

= Hypocrite.
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Those flights are operated using the different "freedoms of the air" that are generally agreed upon or allowed by agreement between the countries involved. Qantas does that here by flying LAX/JFK. Air New Zealand does that by flying LAX-LHR. That isn't the issue at hand here. It is about keeping the playing field as level as possible so we don't see our jobs outsourced to foreign carriers.
 
Haven't personally flown Emirates, but my wife did DC to Dubai to meet me for a weekend during deployment, and she said they were 100 times better than any other airline she had been on. I guess maybe they just have a bottomless piggy bank to build that "experience" with. And no she didn't buy the $12k sleeper pods :)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Irrelevant, at least not until Emirates starts JFK-SFO.

With the exception of Israel, Delta's ATL-DXB and United's IAD-DXB, no US airline goes to the Middle East. Period. None to Bangladesh, Pakistan, and only 2 to India. These ME airlines connect North Americans through the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. Lets face it, if I have to go from New York to London, I am not going to go from JFK to Dubai to Heathrow. That routing is too crazy. I will be going on a US or European airline.


The only exception is JFK to MXP. I had the choice of Alitalia, Delta, American, and Emirates. Emirates and Delta were the same price and I went with Emirates.

But lets be honest, the ME airlines are connecting North American passengers to the Middle East, Africa, and Asia (esp. Subcontinent/Indian). US airlines are not doing that. The US markets connect heavily in all domestic operation, and Carribeans, Hawaii, Europe (a HUGE one), Central and South America, and far east Asia (Japan). That is the extent of the US airline operations.
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Delta used to fly to Cairo, Amman, and maybe one more place. Don't fly it now because it's impossible to compete fairly on price with a state subsidized airline which can eat their losses like yesterdays blintz.
 
Many of these airlines are funded on government oil revenues, yes?

With a falling price of oil, it does make one wonder if such a model is sustainable. However, they may be funded other ways. I understand that Dubai in particular has been shifting a larger part of its economic base to financial services industries.
 
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