actually the yearly 141 review does count as a flight review. if you arent using atleast an hour on this ride, can you realy cover everything that needs to be covered. when i worked at american flyers, my two stands rides (172 and 172RG) both totaled just over two hours(combined), becuase I had to demonstrate ALL of the PTS maneuvers, so i could teach them the "standardized" way. this is why 141 schools can use more than one instructor for one student, and also why the FAA says you can get your certs. in a shorter period of time, which is why i left AF, too much pressure to sign people off who could do it when all was well, but sucked under pressure when things were going wrong. i wouldent sign some people off, and other instructors would, only to have them bust the ride multiple times. one more thing, you dont bust a 141 ride, it just counts as another lesson(complete B.S.). and when my yearly stands ride came up, the time in the 172 and 172 rg, totaled 1.7, and I recived my flight review endorsement. it dosent say that all the time has to be in the same aircraft.
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actually the yearly 141 review does count as a flight review. if you arent using atleast an hour on this ride, can you realy cover everything that needs to be covered. when i worked at american flyers, my two stands rides (172 and 172RG) both totaled just over two hours(combined), becuase I had to demonstrate ALL of the PTS maneuvers, so i could teach them the "standardized" way. this is why 141 schools can use more than one instructor for one student, and also why the FAA says you can get your certs. in a shorter period of time, which is why i left AF, too much pressure to sign people off who could do it when all was well, but sucked under pressure when things were going wrong. i wouldent sign some people off, and other instructors would, only to have them bust the ride multiple times. one more thing, you dont bust a 141 ride, it just counts as another lesson(complete B.S.). and when my yearly stands ride came up, the time in the 172 and 172 rg, totaled 1.7, and I recived my flight review endorsement. it dosent say that all the time has to be in the same aircraft.
MidlifeFlyer
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actually, no it doesn't. The FAA made it very clear that even a full CFI initial checkride with an FAA Inspector or DPE doesn't count. How would a 141 check? Can you show us the exception in writing for 141 schools?
Your school might have a policy of also signing a flight review endorsement as part of the 141 check. But that's not the same as automatically counting.
tgrayson
New Member
He noted that he received a flight review endorsement, so you're each operating from a different definition of "it counts".
Douglas
Old School KSUX
Actually no, it doesn't automatically count.
He can also give you the Flight review endorsement, but if he doesn't you still need a flight review.
Riding with the Chief Pilot doesn't automatically count as a Flight Review.
Yes, you personally received a Flight Review on your ride, but you should not tell people that it is automatic, because that is the wrong definition.
"if you arent using atleast an hour on this ride, can you realy cover everything that needs to be covered."
I really don't know if this was meant to be a question or a rhetorical question, but here it goes; if it is not an hour long it doesn't count. If you have not renewed your CFI in the past 24 months, you need an hour of ground, too.
-Douglas
USMCmech
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Yeah, it is a VERY common misconception, but none of the "instructor" checkrides reset your BFR date.
Pretty much everybody agrees that it's a stupid set of rules, but the Feds disagree.
MidlifeFlyer
Well-Known Member
This was one of "those" arguments with FSDOs going every which way. FAA Legal finally resolved it, but it was less than a year ago and not everyone's reading is completely up to date.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...00/interpretations/data/interps/2008/Levy.pdf
MidlifeFlyer
Well-Known Member
Probably. My definition of "it counts" is that you don't need the endorsement. If the definition of counts includes "if someone is willling to write the endorsement", a whole bunch of things "count" including complex, tailwheel and high performance endorsements; even a simple checkout (I actually have seen that one).
poser765
Well-Known Member
Exactly, Mark. The fun thing is a lot of people think the FAA and FSDO peeps are the all knowing final say. Even more fun than that, they are just as infalible as we are.
