Basic Attitude Flying and Cross Check

mhcasey

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I'm starting my CFII tomorrow. I'm trying to write a lesson plan on basic attitude flying and cross checking, and it dawned on me that nobody every instructed me at all about "what is a proper cross check." I feel pretty proficient with instrument flying. I guess I just figured out my own thing.

Do you II's out there really emphasize particular cross check methods?
 
Depends. I do sometimes, especially when the student is showing particular difficulty maintaining heading, altitude or airspeed during relatively low task load periods of the flight. (I don't particularly expect them to be able to do those things during busy phases at first, but during cruise they should be able too).

For example, if they have trouble triming the aircraft hands off, I have them bring more of the VVI into their cross check. I'll emphasize that the aircraft isn't trimmed when it's at the proper altitude with no control forces. It's trimmed when it's at the proper altitude with ZERO VVI and no control forces.

I never bought into the primary/supporting method, so I teach control and performance method, so I'll teach the steps to that:

1. Set know pitch and power for the desired performance.
2. Trim off the pressures
3. Cross check to see if you get the desired performance.
4. Adjust and re-trim/repeat.

The only time that I teach specifically where I want the students eyes to go is during the ILS or localizer final. Basically I teach him to pick desired headings on final and desired VVI rates and then I tell him to cross check from the ADI to the heading indicator and the VVI every 5 seconds each. Cross check the CDI/GS indicator about every 10 seconds (because if you hold your headings and VVI's properly the approach should stay wired the whole way down anyway, so you don't need to constantly look at the CDI/GS). I have them check airspeed and altitude about every 20 seconds. I figure that if the guy has set proper pitch and power, airspeed should stay relatively constant. If he's at least close on the pitch and power a 5 knot change would probably take about 20 seconds to develop anyway. And for the altitude if he's in a C172 he's got a VVI of 300 for an ILS, and in a big Boeing he's probably got about 700-750 VVI. That means his altitude only changes at worst by 250' every 20 seconds. Now when he gets within about 300-400' of the DH then I have him hit the altitude more frequently, maybe every 10 seconds or more.
 
Of course you have a few basic scans: hub/spoke (heavy on att. ind.), t-shape, racetrack. But, honestly, it's whatever works for the student as long as nothing is over emphasized or omitted. I have them verbalize which inst they are looking at when they are looking at it at the beginning.

So, take the scan you use and use that as your template for teaching one of the methods
 
I'm starting my CFII tomorrow. I'm trying to write a lesson plan on basic attitude flying and cross checking, and it dawned on me that nobody every instructed me at all about "what is a proper cross check."
This is a bit of a guess, but I think the reference to "proper cross-check" is an invitation to talk about the subject without tying you into either "control performance" or "primary supporting" in advance.

To me, a "proper cross check" is one in which, for any given flight condition, you check those instruments that are appropriate to set or tell you what the flight condition is =and= those instruments that confirm the accuracy of the information and help detect when an instrument is not reading properly. It's a question that I think expects you to explain the functioning of the instruments in context (correlation).

For example, a proper cross-check for straight and level flight would involve an AI showing straight and level (vacuum), a DG not turning (vacuum), an altimeter and/or VSI showing no increase or decrease in altitude (static), an ASI showing airspeed in expected parameters (pitot/static), and a turn and bank/inclinometer showing no turn and no yaw (electrical and "forces of nature"). Emphasis on which is "primary" and which is the "cross-check" will depend on whether you are using C/P or P/S as your interpretive model.

I don't think it's an invitation to talk about specific scan techniques, but I absolutely would be prepared to talk about the most common ones and examples and why they fit the model.
 
I usually teach the "wagon wheel" approach with AI being the hub, and the other 5 instruments a spoke in the scan. Not sure if that makes any sense.
 
This is what my instructor taught me, and it has worked great with my students.

Military 8's:

First off cover the Attitude indicator and the VSI

What I will do is have them start off in a figure 8 pattern at an assigned altitude; and continue the pattern at that altitude. The turns must be at standard rate. Once they are comfortable in that pattern I will start assigning different headings for the figure 8.

Then have them bracket up and down between two altitudes (climb to 8000, then descend to 7000, then back to 8000, back to 7000 ......) all while continuing the figure 8.

Start having them make the climbs and descents at a constant airspeed.

Then uncover the VSI and have them make their altitude changes at a constant rate (500 fpm to start). then after a few laps change the rates on them. Then switch back and forth between constant rate and constant airspeed.

By this time, they have to scan continuously or they simply cannot perform the maneuver.

If they are figuring it out, I will break them off of the maneuver with constantly changing vectors and altitudes back to the airport and if the pattern isn't busy vector them right to final.

I have found that this works especially well at breaking a student of fixation and omission problems.

I have one student that I took over from a previous instructor that had absolutely no scan whatsoever when we started, two sessions of this and he doesn't miss a beat.
 
boy could i write a long one on this subject. most of my 60 signoff's have been for instrument ratings, not counting training captain time and work as a lear check airman..basically an instrument ride in the jet.

i spend several hours of ground with a beginning instrument student on understanding the flight instruments, how they're powered, the primary and supporting method, various scans patterns to include the 'inverted v' scan to quickly catch a failure in either the pitot/static, electric or vacuum systems. i go into depth to explain from the primary/supporting method, of how in every single phase of flight, you have one primary pitch and one primary bank instrument, and that all the others are supporting these.

part of the utility in this is that when it's night..and you're in the soup, and it's raining and lightning and turbulent..you have your hands full as a single-pilot ifr pilot. single pilot ifr is much more challenging than crew flight, where one has the luxury of a co-pilot to assist in working radios, tuning frequencies, running checklists, etc.

the most simple example of a phase of flight is simple straight and level. you have several flight instruments that provide pitch information: airspeed, attitude indicator, altimeter and vsi. but only ONE can tell you that your pitch is level and that you're at the ASSIGNED ALTITUDE - the altimeter. same for bank..you have the attitude indicator again (also the only one that gives you 'pitch and bank at a glance', your 'window to the outside in imc' and your 'workload management instrument'), the heading indicator and the turn coordinator. all three will give information that your wings are level, but only one will show you on the ASSIGNED HEADING - the heading indicator. so..in the soup, with your hands full, and your task is maintaining straight and level flight, you have just two instruments you have been trained to concentrate more attention on, rather than six, to stay straight and level.

level turn? altimeter and turn coordinator. descending constant-rate turn? turn coordinator and vsi. constant airspeed climb? airspeed indicator and turn coordinator. level constant airspeed climb? airspeed indicator and heading indicator. how about a vor approach? heading indicator and vsi. the vor head is a supporting instrument. only ONE wind-corrected heading will maintain the course and you're targeting a rate descent to get to your mda. i have my students write up every possible phase of flight and have them draw a simple diagram of which instruments are primary and which support. no matter what, i automatically know which two instruments are giving me the most pertinent information for that flight phase.

workload. what's that? anythinf that takes your attention in imc away from the primary flight instruments (six pack) for more than 2-3 seconds. this can mean tuning a radio, checking an engine instrument, looking at a chart, picking a chart up off the floor, setting power, etc. i teach that the last instrument they check before leaving the 'six pack' is the attitude indicator and for each 2-3 seconds they're away, to simply glance up at it to maintain control. more than likely, you'll stay within tolerances. once the task is accomplished, return to the six pack via the attitude indicator, return to the primary two instruments and check for deviation.

deviation? the attitude indicator is ALWAYS primary whenever transitioning between phases of flight, say from straight and level to a climb (put the miniature airplane into an approximate climb and then transition to a constant airspeed climb where the airspeed and heading indicator are now primary). back to deviation: if there is a deviation after the task, go to the attitude indicator to correct the deviation. once corrected, return to your two primary instruments for pitch and bank.

more on the 'inverted v' scan..it's very important. the inverted v is the attitude indicator, vsi and turn coordinator. here's the check: the right side of the v..the vsi and attitude indicator. simply put the aircraft into a small climb or descent. there should be agreement between the two instruments. if not, IMMEDIATELY check the suction gauge. you may have a vacuum failure. it's easily caught on the suction gauge. same for bank, the left side of the 'v'. put the aircraft into a simple bank. if disagreement between the attitude indicator and turn coordinator, IMMEDIATELY check the suction gauge again. if you have suction, you've lost the t.c. if you don't, you've lost vacuum, which means both attitude indicator and heading indicator.

the thing with losing vacuum is that the gyros are spinning at some 18k rpm. they spin down slowly. this means the attitude indicator will begin to slowly start indicating a roll in one direction, although it isn't real. you'll compensate, by turning in the opposite direction. eventually, you'll become inverted, your airspeed will be increasing rapidly, you'll wonder what's going on and quickly become a statistic. keep a close watch on your suction gauge and make the inverted v a regular part of your scan.

i also teach a routing flight instrument check during taxi. it's a circle scan. we start in the upper right hand: "airspeed indicates zero" (it should), "wings level" (set it with knob), altimeter set to ___ or field elevation", "vsi indicates zero" (or note error for level flight), "i have ____ degrees once" (read from compass), "twice" (set the H.I. to the compass), "right brake, left ball, left brake right ball" (checks ball) and turn indicator correct", "flight instruments checked". next engine instruments (trainer aircraft) "oil pressure in the green, oil temperature rising and ammeter indicates zero (neutral)" or "charging". "taxi checklist is complete".

at any rate, that's a sample of things i've learned to emphasize, both from thousands of hours instructing and thousands flying freight, charter and int'l air ambo in the system. hope someone might find it helpful. i no longer fly professionally, but returned to general aviation to have a home life, instruct for a profession..and because i find i'm patient and enjoy teaching. ymmv. :bandit:
 
...in every single phase of flight, you have one primary pitch and one primary bank instrument, and that all the others are supporting these....

...you have just two instruments you have been trained to concentrate more attention on, rather than six, to stay straight and level.

level turn? altimeter and turn coordinator. descending constant-rate turn? turn coordinator and vsi. constant airspeed climb? airspeed indicator and turn coordinator. level constant airspeed climb? airspeed indicator and heading indicator. how about a vor approach? heading indicator and vsi. the vor head is a supporting instrument...

...i also teach a routing flight instrument check during taxi. it's a circle scan. we start in the upper right hand: "airspeed indicates zero" (it should), "wings level" (set it with knob), altimeter set to ___ or field elevation", "vsi indicates zero" (or note error for level flight), "i have ____ degrees once" (read from compass), "twice" (set the H.I. to the compass), "right brake, left ball, left brake right ball" (checks ball) and turn indicator correct", "flight instruments checked". next engine instruments (trainer aircraft) "oil pressure in the green, oil temperature rising and ammeter indicates zero (neutral)" or "charging". "taxi checklist is complete".

:yeahthat:

Kudos to your whole essay, but I quoted the parts that I especially like. That's almost exactly the way I teach.
 
Kudos to your whole essay, but I quoted the parts that I especially like. That's almost exactly the way I teach.

thanks, jrh..i was dog tired when i wrote it and wanted to crawl into bed..all cfi's know the feeling after a long day crawling in and out of these tubes in the heat of summer. ;) there's certainly more than one way to 'skin a cat' and great pilots come from a variety of different training methods. the faa likes the primary/supporting method. i like to think they generally know their business..we're simply their ambassadors. :bandit:
 
faa likes the primary/supporting method.

Both the instrument PTS and the instrument instructor PTS now explicitly allow the applicant to demonstrate knowledge of the Control/Performance method (if you can call it a method) vs the primary supporting. These are changes within the last ten years, so the FAA does show some willingness to move with the times. Last time I checked, the knowledge tests are still biased towards the primary/supporting.

I view these 'methods' really as mostly forms of explanation, or rather a way to get started. I'm skeptical that an individual's scan, in the end, ever conforms to textbook. As instructors we really can't tell what a student is looking at except via the results he achieves.

i like to think they generally know their business
I'd like to think so too, but the aviation industry is full of wisdom and the majority of it exists outside the FAA. The industry creates and transfers new knowledge a lot faster than the FAA.
 
tgrayson - in total agreement. they emphasize to teach via these 'explanations' by either of these methods. yes, they do show a bias towards primary/supporting (as do i for teaching purposes and from years in actual practice). i also agree that an individual's scan goes through a variety of changes more than likely throughout the course of their flying. when you're flying professionally, however, i'd argue that folks flying part 135 settle into pretty solid routines while flying some 27-28 days out of the month, as i've seen at times. however, the 50-hour per year instrument pilot doesn't get the opportunity to gain the same consistency. and it's probably this pilot whose scan patterns change from flight to flight. in the final analysis, i teach that it's very comforting to know that when you're really in challenging weather conditions, busy as hell and about to #### your drawers, that it's a comfort to have a solid understanding of primary/supporting to help reduce your flight instrument scan to a more manageable level under the gun - those two primary for whatever phase of flight you're tackling.

great point by the way concerning the industry. the faa does move like a hippopotamus stuck in mud.. ;) at any rate, in my roundabout tangent, i agree with you on all points.
 
...it's very comforting to know that when you're really in challenging weather conditions, busy as hell and about to #### your drawers, that it's a comfort to have a solid understanding of primary/supporting to help reduce your flight instrument scan to a more manageable level under the gun - those two primary for whatever phase of flight you're tackling.

That is precisely why I like the primary/supporting system.

A couple years ago I was trying to teach my first instrument student how to scan and he couldn't pick it up. I thought it was a matter of him learning to scan faster.

I remember discussing the problem with MidlifeFlyer and he brought up the point that good instrument scanning isn't based on scanning *faster*, it's based on scanning *better*. The pilot has to know where to look and when to look there. To me, the primary/supporting style makes the most sense towards this goal. It certainly worked wonders with my first student.
 
That is precisely why I like the primary/supporting system.

A couple years ago I was trying to teach my first instrument student how to scan and he couldn't pick it up. I thought it was a matter of him learning to scan faster.

I remember discussing the problem with MidlifeFlyer and he brought up the point that good instrument scanning isn't based on scanning *faster*, it's based on scanning *better*. The pilot has to know where to look and when to look there. To me, the primary/supporting style makes the most sense towards this goal. It certainly worked wonders with my first student.

bingo! great way of expressing it! 'better, not faster'..i like that. :bandit:
 
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