Baron 58P

Maurus

Maurus

The Great Gazoo
From my multi thread it looks like a Baron 58P would be the best choice after finances and everything have been taken care of.

Anything specific to look for when buying a 58P? I am looking for type specific stuff that may go wrong or it may have chronic problems with that may cause an owner to sell.


So far it looks like you either buy expensive or ugly with 58Ps.

BTW it looks like $300k is the max price to buy one.
 
Maurus said:
From my multi thread it looks like a Baron 58P would be the best choice after finances and everything have been taken care of.

Anything specific to look for when buying a 58P? I am looking for type specific stuff that may go wrong or it may have chronic problems with that may cause an owner to sell.


So far it looks like you either buy expensive or ugly with 58Ps.

BTW it looks like $300k is the max price to buy one.
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I believe it includes the 58P, check if it also has the wing spar AD.
 
Maurus said:
Anything specific to look for when buying a 58P? I am looking for type specific stuff that may go wrong or it may have chronic problems with that may cause an owner to sell.
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Its a time limited airframe, 10,000 hours, if I recall correctly. So don't buy one with close to that much time on it, and expect to fly it forever.
 
Maurus said:
Anything specific to look for when buying a 58P? I am looking for type specific stuff that may go wrong or it may have chronic problems with that may cause an owner to sell.
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Don't buy it.....
I used to work for a Beech dealer, and we even stayed away from them. If someone gave me one, I'd sell it for a regular 58.
 
Maurus said:
From my multi thread it looks like a Baron 58P would be the best choice after finances and everything have been taken care of.

Anything specific to look for when buying a 58P? I am looking for type specific stuff that may go wrong or it may have chronic problems with that may cause an owner to sell.


So far it looks like you either buy expensive or ugly with 58Ps.

BTW it looks like $300k is the max price to buy one.
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If you're interested in a King Air B90 ... I can get you one with the Walter Conversions, 1100hrs on the engines for $375k

The Walters are 750Shp derated to 550... they cost about $75,000 each to overhaul, which gives a normal engine reserve of $25/ea per engine/hr... they require no hot sections, and can be extended to, I think 5000hr TBO (from 3000).

Normal performance figures range around 80gph @ 235-240KTAS

Great aircraft, if you want pictures or anything, PM me
 
SurferLucas said:
I would try to stay away from a B-58P aircraft.
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Second that... and whatever you do... do NOT under any circumstances...even if it's the 'deal of the century' buy a P-Navajo


The 400 series Cessnas are great airplanes. I fly the 421B... and it's great... fuel system is slightly complicated and the engines require finesse (just a thinking pilot's airplane)... (just had a good annual @ $7500 - not too bad) but they're great... haven't flown a 414, but imagine it's a great choice as well - really can't compare to the cabin of the 58P (which is pretty tight)
 
ryan1234 said:
Second that... and whatever you do... do NOT under any circumstances...even if it's the 'deal of the century' buy a P-Navajo


The 400 series Cessnas are a great airplane. I fly the 421B... and it's great... fuel system is slightly complicated and the engines require finesse (just a thinking pilot's airplane)... (just had a good annual @ $7500 - not too bad) but they're great... haven't flown a 414, but imagine it's a great choice as well - really can't compare to the cabin of the 58P (which is pretty tight)
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If you fly a 421B, there's not much difference to the 414 RAM.

Are you flying a 421B that has dual wing locker tanks?
 
SurferLucas said:
I would try to stay away from a B-58P aircraft.

I'd stay along the lines of the 414 RAM (Which I'm flying right now). We're very happy with the airplane.

http://www.controller.com/listingsd...ESSNA-414-RAM/1976-CESSNA-414-RAM/1172088.htm

This one looks like a pretty good deal. It has low time engines, new props, good avionics, new paint/interior.

If you look at 414, the JB/Keith AC is the way to go...it's electric and allows for pre-cooling with a GPU.
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Good find there. I think I'll be looking into this aircraft. Hopefully being based in Florida wont hurt.
 
SurferLucas said:
If you fly a 421B, there's not much difference to the 414 RAM.

Are you flying a 421B that has dual wing locker tanks?
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Ours has a single locker... it's actually a little weird, only use it as an IFR reserve for long trips. Never actually use it other than that, but to cycle to the fuel through every once in a while.

Does yours have a wet wing?
 
Maurus said:
Good find there. I think I'll be looking into this aircraft. Hopefully being based in Florida wont hurt.
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It shouldn't, as long as the aircraft hasn't spent it's whole life and has been taken care of.

Good luck with your search, keep us all up to date with it!

Here's another plane I looked at while searching for our company plane, it was originally listed for $239,000 and now down to $199,000.

http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/CESSNA-421B-RAM/1973-CESSNA-421B-RAM/1162606.htm
 
ryan1234 said:
Ours has a single locker... it's actually a little weird, only use it as an IFR reserve for long trips. Never actually use it other than that, but to cycle to the fuel through every once in a while.

Does yours have a wet wing?
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Ours is a 414 RAM, not an 414A model. I've flown the 414A and the straight 414 I think flies better. It doesn't have the Wing Spar AD like the wet wing aircraft have.

Ours has the Main Tip Tanks (50 Gals), Aux Tanks (31.5 gals) and 2 wing locker tanks (20 Gals). So 4 hours of go juice with an hour reserve, 200 kts all day long.

I've flown a 421C that had only 1 wing locker tank, that was a pain in the ass...
 
SurferLucas said:
Ours is a 414 RAM, not an 414A model. I've flown the 414A and the straight 414 I think flies better. It doesn't have the Wing Spar AD like the wet wing aircraft have.

Ours has the Main Tip Tanks (50 Gals), Aux Tanks (31.5 gals) and 2 wing locker tanks (20 Gals). So 4 hours of go juice with an hour reserve, 200 kts all day long.

I've flown a 421C that had only 1 wing locker tank, that was a pain in the ass...
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For some reason the 421B lands a lot better than the 421C without the trailing link... probably has to do with those tips - I've come to really like them, nice stable IFR stuff. The late model 421Cs with the trailing links are really nice airplane as well...

Everyone made the fuel system out to be such a pain in the B, but it's really not thaaat bad, just can't forget about the aux tanks.

One little thing though I don't like is that the tip tank electric pumps are wired through the landing lights - weird, it's caused ours a little bit of problems.
 
ryan1234 said:
For some reason the 421B lands a lot better than the 421C without the trailing link... probably has to do with those tips - I've come to really like them, nice stable IFR stuff. The late model 421Cs with the trailing links are really nice airplane as well...

Everyone made the fuel system out to be such a pain in the B, but it's really not thaaat bad, just can't forget about the aux tanks.

One little thing though I don't like is that the tip tank electric pumps are wired through the landing lights - weird, it's caused ours a little bit of problems.
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So does the tip tank 414 model compared to the 421C/414A...If I'm not mistaken, when Cessna went to the wet wing model 400's, they redesigned the landing gear...going from electric to hydraulic.

We had a 78 421C without trailing link, and an 80 model with...and the trailing link def makes a HUGE difference.

Talking about the issue with your landing lights/tip tank pumps, is it tripping the circuit breaker? I've had that happen sporadically with my 414...go to turn off/retract the lights and the break is tripped...but it does it every blue moon.
 
SurferLucas said:
Talking about the issue with your landing lights/tip tank pumps, is it tripping the circuit breaker? I've had that happen sporadically with my 414...go to turn off/retract the lights and the break is tripped...but it does it every blue moon.
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It never tripped the breaker, and come to find out it actually disconnected from the pump... which is weird and a little concerning. Just saw that the landing light didn't work for some reason - so that pump never 'armed'. I really don't know exactly what happened... but they replaced the whole landing light assembly and it seems to be good now... still trying to figure it all out.
 
Alright alright I know everyone is saying go with 400 series Cessna and I have made a living flying them both a ram VII 414a and a 421B model. I have also flown barons for years now and I just think unless you want the cabin class of the 400's stick to the Baron it flies nicer is faster and will be less in Maint.
 
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