ATP's New Instructor Pay

44Driver

44Driver

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Flight Instructor Pay

ATP flight instructors receive a very modest base retainer fee, plus additional flight-hour pay and bonuses that correspond to students' on-time, first-time checkride pass. Instructors can earn between $1,800 and $3,000 per month.

At the ATP Scheduling Center and Instructor Proficiency Program in Jacksonville, FL:
$1,500 per Month Retainer
FREE Housing
While at your assigned Training Center:
$750-$1000 per Month Retainer (varies by training center), PLUS
$100 On-Time, First-Time Checkride Pass Bonus for each student, PLUS
$7.50-$12.50 per Flight & FTD Hour (varies by program), PLUS
$15 per FAA Exam Proctored

I'd really like to hear what people think about the new "pay scale". Especially current instructors. Hopefully they aren't afraid to speak up on these forums.

Does anyone actually believe that this type of pay structure will encourage new instructors to err on the side of caution when it comes to weather, fatigue, and student ability? That's why airlines provide a decent guaranteed base pay rather than paying a pilot $12,000 and then associating 50% of his additional pay to how far he can push himself to fly, fly, fly...

This type of pay is an incentive to succumb to "Get-there-itis". Especially at a company which pushes 4-day Commercial, 14-day CFI, etc....
 
This coming from someone who thought a 14 year old asking questions about ATP was an ATP employee trying to "pimp" the school.
Why so much hate, 44Driver?
 
Unlike an FBO, ATP markets "fast track" programs. It seems to me that instructors will now be encouraged to get students done "on-time" regardless of weather, fatigue, etc... Just so that they can get paid these bonuses.

I also noticed that there is no extra pay or bonuses listed for teaching more ground school.
 
PA44 Why do you hate ATP so much? Flying multi engine aircraft seems better than waiting around the FBO lobby for a BFR.
 
Guidetothesky said:
PA44 Why do you hate ATP so much? Flying multi engine aircraft seems better than waiting around the FBO lobby for a BFR.
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If you want to know why I discourage people from attending ATP, please feel free to PM me. I did the PVT & ACPP, passed every checkride, and would have finished on time if the training center hadn't been moved across the field halfway through my program. All I can say is that I witnessed tons of messed up stuff during my training. From the attitudes of management towards the students, to the conversations of instructors in regards to how they felt about the company.

So, PM me if you'd like details. Aside from that, I'd just like to hear what people think of the new pay structure.
 
44Driver said:
If you want to know why I discourage people from attending ATP, please feel free to PM me. I did the PVT & ACPP, passed every checkride, and would have finished on time if the training center hadn't been moved across the field halfway through my program. All I can say is that I witnessed tons of messed up stuff during my training. From the attitudes of management towards the students, to the conversations of instructors in regards to how they felt about the company.

So, PM me if you'd like details. Aside from that, I'd just like to hear what people think of the new pay structure.
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Sounds like just about every flight school I know.
 
Thats quite a raise over what I was paid in 2007.

Assuming my location paid an average of the rates (and trying to remember what I did almost 4 years ago) the new rate would have paid me:

-$850/m base pay
-$800/m flight pay (80 hours/m X $10/hour)
-$400/m FTD pay (40 hours/m X $10/hour, IIRC each 90 day student got 20 hours in the ftd)
-$300-500/m in on-time/checkride pass bonuses (I always carried 2 90 day students and did 2-3 add-ons per month)
-$45/m FAA exams (guesstimate)

Thats about $2400/m minus housing (which was $300/m back then) so about $2100 take home at a moderately busy location. My rate in 2007 was $1200/m minus $300 for housing + $300-400/m in bonuses (or about $1250 take home each month).

Of course I'm sure you're still an independant contractor so make sure to set money aside each month to pay the guberment in april.
 
Anybody with any good input on ATP right now? How is the work load? Where are most new guys going in terms of staffing needs? I graduated the Career Pilot Program with them in 2008 (finished CFI last year). Thinking of giving a call down to JAX...
 
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