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futurepilot93

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I have heard a lot about the different flight academies. I want to be a pilot for an airliner and i just want to get as much input as possible. If anyone could please tell me which one they think would offer the best route for the career path I am seeking. Thank you.

ATP
Flight Safety Academy
Falcon Aviation Academy
Delta Connection Academy
 
try using the search function

or it should get interesting pretty quick

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The school is not important. The thing the makes or breaks good flight training is the CFI.
Good schools can have bad CFI's and bad schools can have good CFI's.
 
The "Best" route??

The fact is... it depends.

It depends on you... your learning process... your expectations of a flight school... your financial situation... your timeframe... etc.

  • How much multi-time do you want?
  • How quickly or slowly do you want to build your experience?
  • Do you want to relocate for training... if so... how far is acceptable and for how long?
  • Is your local FBO an option... if not, then why?
  • Do you learn best in group environments or self study?
  • Have you researched the difference between part 61 vs. part 141 flight training?
  • Have you visited... or will you be visiting any of the flight schools you've mentioned?
  • Will you be financing your own training... or paying as you go?
  • What are your short term and long term goals?
  • Have you looked at the basics of each flight school... Price, program timeframe, housing, books, number of aircraft and aircraft types, How much single vs. multi, availability of FTD's, books, locations, etc...
  • Have you compared those same factors to your local FBO?
Those are just a few of the things you need to ask yourself and research before you make decision that will possibly affect the next the next 6 months to 30+ years of your life.

The thing is... almost everyone on here who has already accomplished their goals and has chosen their own specific route will typically tell you what route was best... for them. It may not be the best route for you, and that's why a poll like this is typically counter-productive.

You will get all sorts of arguments and opinions from folks who attended or are attending said flight schools, and from folks who attended or are attending other flight schools you didn't mention, and even folks who believe it to be a waste of your time and money to attend any flight training in this economy with the current lack of hiring in the airline industry.

The fact is... those arguements are mostly opinion. The real work in determining which flight school is best for you should be based on your own research of the schools that you are choosing.

Here's a good breakdown of each of the larger flight schools:

http://www.fltops.com/flightschools.asp?Gateway=Education

(I tink ATP just lowered their total price to $48,940 from 0 hours to Multi CFII... so take that into consideration.)

Now, I'm not discounting anyone's opinion here on JC or any other online forum. Heck... I asked some similar questions here myself when I was in your position. All I'm saying is... take the words of "advice" you see here and use them cautiously, and certainly not as a primary decision maker.

Asking "who's the best" in any industry can very easily bring out the "worst" in people.

Lastly... here's one of the better articles I've found out there regarding the personal selection of a flight school from AOPA:

AOPA said:
Choosing Your Flight School

Learning to fly can be one of life's most rewarding adventures. The freedom of moving in three dimensions is not only fun but can lead to interesting career and travel opportunities. To take advantage of aviation's rewards, you must make sure you get the good, solid information that you'll need to be a safe, confident pilot in the air. One of the most important steps in that process is finding the right flight school.

AOPA Flight Training magazine has prepared the following general guidance information. It is intended as an aid for anyone interested in learning to fly and for selecting the training organization that will meet the individual's specific needs.

Without any aviation experience on which to base your decision, selecting a good school can be a formidable task. Aviation is procedural and not well suited to impatience. Whether you're flying or picking a school, making rash, hurried decisions can cause dire consequences. Checklists are an aviation mainstay that ensure all procedures are accomplished and, therefore, make for safe flights. This same procedure can be applied to selecting a good flight school.

How to Determine What You Need and Want

At the beginning of your flight school search, it helps if you have a general idea of what you want from aviation. Why do you want to learn to fly? What is your ultimate, long-term aviation goal? Do you want to fly for fun, or are you seeking a flying career? Will your flying be local, or do you want to use general aviation aircraft to travel? Do you want to own an airplane or will you rent? These are questions you should answer before you start considering flight schools. And you should consider whether you'll train full time or part time; that can make a big difference in your school selection criteria.

Types of Schools — Part 61 and Part 141

Flight schools come in two flavors, Part 61 and Part 141, which refer to the parts of the Federal Aviation Regulations (FARs) under which they operate. The most common and least important distinction between them is the minimum flight time required for the private certificate — 40 hours under Part 61, and 35 hours under Part 141.

Considering that the national average for earning a private certificate is 60-75 hours (how long you'll take will depend on your ability and flying frequency), this difference isn't important for initial training. It does make a difference to commercial pilot applicants: Part 61 requires 250 hours, and Part 141 requires 190.

What differentiates the two is structure and accountability. Part 141 schools are periodically audited by the FAA and must have detailed, FAA-approved course outlines and meet student performance rates. Part 61 schools don't have the same paperwork and accountability requirements.
Learning under Part 61 rules can often give students the flexibility to rearrange lesson content and sequence to meet their needs, which can be of benefit to part-time students. Many Part 141 schools also train students under Part 61 rules.

Which type of school is best for you depends on your needs, available time, and other factors, such as veteran's benefit eligibility (only Part 141 schools can qualify for VA-reimbursed training) and location. When it comes to the FAA checkride, which is the same for all, it doesn't matter where you learned to fly, only how well — including your understanding of aviation academic material.

Although flight schools fall into two basic categories, Part 61 or Part 141, there is a third category that bears serious consideration by prospective pilots, particularly those planning a professional piloting career: nationally accredited training institutions. Accredited schools must meet rigid standards of accountability for virtually every area of operation and must apply to an accrediting agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education.

Collegiate aviation degree programs also play a large part in today's training marketplace, and you should consider earning a degree if you are planning a professional flying career. A plus in seeking a degree is that in many cases you are eligible for financial aid and scholarships that will assist you, not only in your academic endeavors, but in flight training as well.

Compile a List of Choices and Schools

Once you've given some thought to what you want, start putting together a list of possible flight schools. Then request all available literature from each. Ask them to send an outline or curriculum for each program in which you're interested, and a copy of the school's regulations and flight operations procedures.

Don't base your decision on the literature alone! You're looking for informative substance, and this can be found as well in photocopied sheets as it can in full-color catalogs. While scrutinizing the material, take notes for use during the school visit, when you'll check the veracity of its claims. Some things to look for:

  • The school's philosophy, goals, and objectives, and how they match your needs.
  • Are there such benefits as housing, financial aid, and additional training, such as aerobatics, that will broaden your experience?
  • How important is flight training to the organization?
  • How long has the flight school been in business?
  • What about the school's instructional staff, its enrollment numbers, and credentials?
  • How many and what types of aircraft are used in the school's flight instruction program?
  • What are the school's classrooms like?
  • What services are available at its airport (instrument approaches and control towers)?
  • What is the school's reputation on regulations and safety policies?
Take a Firsthand Look — It's Your Money

If you do nothing else in your school search — visit the school!
Your first contact will likely be an admissions officer or the chief flight instructor. Listen closely and ask questions about everything. Don't be shy. If you don't understand something, ask! During your tour, ensure that no area is left unvisited, from administrative offices to the maintenance area.

Interview the school's chief flight instructor or his or her assistant. Some questions to ask:

  • Are progressive flight-checks given? (These checks evaluate your progress during the training program.)
  • What's the instructor-to-student ratio? (Generally speaking, an instructor can adequately educate four of five full-time students, or 10 or more part-timers, depending on their schedules.)
  • Who schedules lessons, and how is it done?
  • What are the insurance requirements of the school, and how do its liability and collision policies work? Will you be responsible for a deductible, and how much is that deductible in the event of a loss? What is your coverage as a student?
  • Who keeps your records? (This is important because poor documentation can cause you to repeat training.)
  • What happens when weather or maintenance problems cancel a lesson? Who's responsible for rescheduling lessons and reporting maintenance problems?
After the official tour, get away by yourself and talk to other students in training. Ask them to rate the training's quality and explain what problems they've had, if any, and how they were dealt with.

Other important information resources can be the local FAA Flight Standards District Office, the Better Business Bureau, and the Chamber of Commerce. They may offer important insights on such topics as a school's safety record and business practices. Don't forget such applicable sources as the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, National Air Transportation Association, Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology, if so accredited, and the Immigration and Naturalization Service, if you are an international student.

Don't Overlook Ground School

Learning to fly requires that you obtain the ability to manipulate the controls of the airplane and make it perform certain maneuvers. However, there is another aspect of learning to fly, and that is the academic knowledge required to understand how, where, and when to fly safely. This is accomplished in ground school.

Ground school takes two basic forms: an instructor teaching a scheduled class or a self-paced, home-study program using video or audio tapes and/or a computer-based program.

Which is better depends on you. If you're a self-disciplined self-starter, the self-paced video programs can't be beat. You can "attend" ground school on your schedule and review the tapes as needed. If you need the discipline of the classroom, well, the choice is obvious. Perhaps the best option is a combination of the two. Many schools have a traditional classroom ground school and a resource room that contains self-paced materials for additional study.

Many local community colleges or independent ground schools are also an option. Although technically not part of ground school, instrument ground trainers (or simulators) are being used by a number of schools in primary training, and they are a real benefit in instrument training.

After ground school and before you can take your FAA checkride with a designated pilot examiner, you must take and pass (70 percent or better) an FAA airman knowledge test at an approved computer testing site. A growing number of schools offer FAA-approved computer testing as part of their services.

Training Aircraft

The training airplane is where you practice in the air what you've learned on the ground. High wing or low, it doesn't make much difference. What's important is how well the airplane is equipped and maintained. It's also important that the school's trainers are dedicated to training and not to rental.

How many trainers a school has depends on the number of active students. Generally speaking, one trainer serves four or five full-time students. This ratio may be higher with part-time students. Another consideration is the fleet's mix of primary, advanced, and multiengine trainers.

Because trainers are flown often and sometimes hard, how a school maintains its training fleet is important for both safety and scheduling. Asking questions about maintenance policies and procedures should be part of every school interview.

Flight Instructors

A good flight instructor is important because your life will depend on what he or she teaches you. Don't hesitate to ask questions about the training and experience of the flight instructors. You might ask what the average flight time is and what the pass/fail rate is among the instructors. (A pass rate of 100 percent doesn't indicate good instruction.) You might also talk to some of the other students at the school to ask about their flight instructors.

Your primary instructor should be at least a certificated flight instructor (CFI). Ensure that your instrument instructor has an instrument instructor rating (CFII). Instrument training received from a non-rated instructor can cause problems when it comes to meeting FAA requirements.
A good way to get acquainted with your instructor is to take an introductory lesson (not just a demonstration ride). During your lesson, assess your instructor's attitude. Only you can determine what personality best fits yours, but you want an instructor who expects perfection, who will work with you until it's achieved, and who cares about you as a person as well as a student.

Cost

Compared with most of your current activities, learning to fly is expensive. But remember, you're investing in your education, in skills that will open new worlds and opportunities. Flying is an activity of purpose, productivity, and pleasure. It's also a never-ending learning process and as with all education, your initial training provides the foundation for all that will follow.

Looking at the bottom line, you'll notice that, adjusting for location and differences in training programs, schools more or less charge about the same. Only you can determine if what you get for your money is fair. As with any other major purchase, if a deal seems too good to be true, it usually is.

When comparing costs, make sure you're comparing "apples with apples." Some schools base their prices on the FAA minimum-time requirements, such as 40 hours for a private certificate. Others base their prices on a more realistic figure that's the average of what their students accomplish. Some include books and supplies, ground school, flight testing, and FAA written examination fees. Others don't. In other words, read the fine print, and ensure you're making a comparison of equals!

Because most schools require partial or full payment before training begins, financing your flight training, especially if you are in a professional pilot program, will be your greatest challenge. Some schools offer financing, and most have financing and loan information. AOPA, for example, offers its Flight Funds loan program to its qualified members. Schools also offer "block time" prices if you pay for a certain amount of training, or flight time, in advance, which can often offer substantial savings.

Some schools guarantee their training — that you'll earn your certificate for a fixed price no matter how long it takes. Read the fine print carefully, because many of these guarantees expire after so many flight hours. If you haven't achieved your goal in this time, the school will still train you, but you'll have to pay for the training that takes place above the guarantee's ceiling.

Also inquire about refunds. Most schools require that you pay for part or all of your training in advance, which prevents you from training and running before the bills are paid. But if you must stop training for some reason, you should know if and how much of your money will be refunded.
Unless your instructor's fees are part of a "package price" program, know how you are charged for his or her educational services, and how much you're charged for aircraft rental. Aircraft rental and the instructor time are usually charged by the Hobbs meter, which is a timing device activated by oil pressure. If the engine is running, so is the meter. Even if you're sitting on the ground, you're still charged for it.

Also learn if the instructor is paid for pre- and post-flight briefings in addition to flight time. These are crucial parts of every lesson, and if the instructor is not paid for them, you may get abbreviated briefings before you start the engine, and then get the rest of the briefing while the engine and the meter are running.

There's an old saying that says, "Time is money." In your research, make sure that you're getting the best quality training for your dollar.

The Final Decision

What flight school you ultimately choose depends on the quality training you desire in a method convenient to your schedule. In earning your private pilot's certificate, you will have achieved a "license" to learn. Aviation is an ever-changing activity, and good pilots are always learning.
Perhaps the final deciding factor between several schools that are running in a dead heat is personality. Like people, schools have personalities. Some are deadly serious, while others are more familial in nature. Only you can select the one that matches your personality.

A Checklist for Choosing a Good Flight School

  • Determine your aviation goals. Are you learning to fly for fun or do you plan to pursue a career?
  • Compile a list of schools to examine, and request literature from each. Review material from each school and answer the questions outlined earlier in this brochure.
  • Once you've done your "homework," visit the final two or three schools that pass the test. Ask questions and get a feel for the personalities of the schools. Ask specific questions and insist on specific answers. Talk to other students and flight instructors.
  • Once you've decided on a school, be sure a written agreement outlines the payment procedures.
I hope that helps...

Bob
 
I have heard a lot about the different flight academies. I want to be a pilot for an airliner and i just want to get as much input as possible. If anyone could please tell me which one they think would offer the best route for the career path I am seeking. Thank you.

ATP
Flight Safety Academy
Falcon Aviation Academy
Delta Connection Academy

my input is that you do a little research into obtaining your wings and the various methods to do so before you start asking which is the best school. Then, research the industry and ask yourself how long it's going to take you to recoup your investment in education based on the route you choose. Then ask yourself how long it will take you to reasonably find an entry level job.

IMHO the best route is to find another job that pays well, stay out of debt (read not your academy choices) and pay as you go through an FBO. Then once you CFI for a bit to gain experience - then decide if this is the industry you want to get into
 
To add.... Its going to be very difficult to answer such a question. Reason being is that many of us either have experience with none of the above, or just one. Many will not have first hand experience with more then one of those schools and thus cannot give you an honest thought on those in which they lack the experience with. I would agree with Bob, look into the AOPA article in addition to doing some more of the research via the search function on here. There's going to be the good, the bad, and also the UGLY on all of the ones you mentioned... But that should be expected with any education process you will undergo. Now if you have any specifics on a particular school/FBO then we might be able to give you a better response....

PS... It looks like you have big school selected there... In many ways its not the size of the school that matters... There are more important factors to consdier and I would advise you to open your search to small, medium, large etc..... And thus your poll is going to have a result in a particular direction I have a feeling..
 
You needed to find another school to supplement those schools to get your self and edu-ma-cation if you don't already have some.

Education is key, flight school is not.
 
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