ATP Written Prep

USMC-SSGT

USMC-SSGT

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Hey everyone,
I am interviewing with Colgan on Friday and everyone has told me to study for the ATP written so I figured that I will just kill two birds with one stone.

I am going to atp trenton on Thursday to take my part 121 written and had a few questions

1: Is this course set up so that if realistically I do not pick up the atp gleim at all that I can just go to atp with my current cfi knowledge and get a respectable score on the trest? Meaning, is this course completely stand alone so I can do close to nothing and still do well based on the day course. I am working nearly 12 hours every day until then and just dont have time

2: What can I expect? I see training starts at 8am and you have to be testing no later than 6pm. I am expecting a fun filled day of sitting at a computer studying for 10 hours?


Thanks in advance

oh yea..for those who care even though I have not been offered any job yet, the obligatory times section.....1011/176
 
http://www.sheppardair.com/

That's the software I used to study for the ATP written. You don't need any prior studying before using it. Same thing ATP offers except you can do it at home on your own computer, and it's cheaper (or was when I did it). I spent a couple of hours a day for 3 days straight and took the test, scored a 93. Good product.

Good luck with the Colgan interview! I'm sure you will do just fine. Yea the written test has some ATP questions on it. (I'd pay special attention to the Weather, IFR, IFR nav, and aerodynamics questions)
 
Based on what you said... with the fact that you don't have any time off to study before hand... then the ATP Test Prep course can work for you very well.

Yes... it's designed for you to walk right in off the street without ever cracking a book and still leave with a respectable score. The test is actually geared toward Military folks who have no real knowledge of civilian FAA regs... and they walk in off the street and typically score 90+%.

What to expect? A mind numbing day in front of the computer terminal reviewing a database of approx. 500 questions followed by only the correct answer. You have the option of reviewing the wrong answers too... but it's not recommended.

I did mine at ATP about 4 days before upgrade class without having studied before hand and walked out with a 92. So it was definately worth it for me.

Will you retain the info you learned? Actually... you'd be surprised at how much of it you already know (instrument stuff), and once you learn the pallet formula's the W&B is incredibly easy. The finer points of minutia may not be retained unless you continue to study it even more after you take the test.

Hope that helps...

Bob
 
Snuggle said:
(I'd pay special attention to the Weather, IFR, IFR nav, and aerodynamics questions)
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:yeahthat:

Weather is big on their written. Icing, mountain wave, etc. Just study all 3 weather chapters out of the Gleim and you will be in good shape. The rest is stuff you should pretty much know already. Good luck with the interview. Just be yourself and try to relax its not a big deal if you are relaxed.
 
thanks guys that is great info. I was not expecting to apply to Colgan this early, I simply emailed them and asked a question and Chuck called me the next day and invited me to come down on Friday so here I go. I have been reading the gouges and they all say study the atp written and I figured since I planned on taking it anyway I might as well do the atp course the day before the interview and get the test done as well as study for the colgan interview all at the same time.

I am not too worried about the interview since I am a cfi and I have been using Jepps since day 1 but there is the unknown that scares me a bit. I am a little timid since I have .6 hours in a sim and I only get one shot in the sim ride. I can shoot an ILS to mins though in real world so all I have to do that is transfer that to the moving box and I should be ok I hope
 
Don't worry about the Sim, that's the fun part of the interview!
Seriously, don't worry about it... just go in there...relax! and fly the thing
As long as you stay cool and keep scanning, you will do fine.

Are you interviewing in LGA?
 
Captain_Bob said:
Based on what you said... with the fact that you don't have any time off to study before hand... then the ATP Test Prep course can work for you very well.

Yes... it's designed for you to walk right in off the street without ever cracking a book and still leave with a respectable score. The test is actually geared toward Military folks who have no real knowledge of civilian FAA regs... and they walk in off the street and typically score 90+%.

What to expect? A mind numbing day in front of the computer terminal reviewing a database of approx. 500 questions followed by only the correct answer. You have the option of reviewing the wrong answers too... but it's not recommended.

I did mine at ATP about 4 days before upgrade class without having studied before hand and walked out with a 92. So it was definately worth it for me.

Will you retain the info you learned? Actually... you'd be surprised at how much of it you already know (instrument stuff), and once you learn the pallet formula's the W&B is incredibly easy. The finer points of minutia may not be retained unless you continue to study it even more after you take the test.

Hope that helps...

Bob
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What the crap is the finer points of minutia Capt.Bob? Is that ATP stuff? :) FLY SAFE T.C.
 
yes lga...

Bob, can you refresh my memory on that weight and balance formulas. I remember doing them in the gleim they had their famous universal formual that was something like the sum of all moments divided by the sum of all weights equals something or other. I remember seeing it in my gleim commercial book but I cant remember anymore.

I could use it since I have been teaching all of my students the old fashioned way although I have to admit for my personal flights I use the T.L.A.R method
 
USMC-SGT said:
Bob, can you refresh my memory on that weight and balance formulas. I remember doing them in the gleim they had their famous universal formual that was something like the sum of all moments divided by the sum of all weights equals something or other. I remember seeing it in my gleim commercial book but I cant remember anymore.
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Wt on pallet = ((area/144) x Floor load limit) – wt of pallet – wt of tiedown​
 
Just curious...Why Colgan with those times? Not that I am questioning your choice; rather, it seems people with times in that range are going to places like Xjet, ASA, Peanuckle, Skyw, etc.....

Best of luck on your written and interview!
 
Colgan because I just bought a house in southern NH and Colgan offers bases in MHT and PWM so I can be close to home and have a relatively decent schedule (my friend is at MHT and is 3 on 4 off typically)

Their upgrades are 12-16 months compared to eagles 12-16 years (close) and I like the idea of shorter hops instead of long autopilot excursions
 
USMC-SGT said:
Colgan because I just bought a house in southern NH and Colgan offers bases in MHT and PWM so I can be close to home and have a relatively decent schedule (my friend is at MHT and is 3 on 4 off typically)

Their upgrades are 12-16 months compared to eagles 12-16 years (close) and I like the idea of shorter hops instead of long autopilot excursions
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They don't have a base at Portland (PWM). Semper Fi. I am from Prov, RI.
 
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