ATP Rotorcraft

Ian_J

Ian_J

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I've been sandbagging on getting around to getting my rotorcraft ATP and with the new rules coming August 1st I'm wondering if I need to jump on it. I can't find anything changing rotorcraft rules though. I'm wondering if:

1. Do I need to get the ATP rotorcraft written done prior to 1 August?
2. Once I do the written and the practical, if I wanted to do an AMEL as an ATP add-on would I have to comply with all the new classes and simulator requirements? I'm not seeing anywhere add-ons changing, but I can't find much.

Thanks!
 
Related: If doing an ATP add-on, does one have to take the written for the new category being added?
 
MikeFavinger said:
You have an ATP, Mike? Or are you in the same boat I am?
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I have an ATP-MEL, but am looking to add-on the Rotorcraft. Curious if I have to take the ATP written again because it's different category (ie- take it for that category), or if that's moot because of already possessing an ATP.
 
MikeD said:
Related: If doing an ATP add-on, does one have to take the written for the new category being added?
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14 CFR 61.63(b)(4)

(b) Additional aircraft category rating. A person who applies to add a category rating to a pilot certificate:
(1) Must complete the training and have the applicable aeronautical experience.
(2) Must have a logbook or training record endorsement from an authorized instructor attesting that the person was found competent in the appropriate aeronautical knowledge areas and proficient in the appropriate areas of operation.
(3) Must pass the practical test.
{New-2010-07 (b)(4) revised February 1, 2010, effective April 2, 2010}
(4) Need not take an additional knowledge test, provided the applicant holds an airplane, rotorcraft, powered-lift, weight-shift-control aircraft, powered parachute, or airship rating at that pilot certificate level.
 
Interestingly new ATP written rules don't apply to Single Engine, that'll be my back-up...

ATP rotor sounds very cool...

Alex.
 
MikeFavinger said:
I've been sandbagging on getting around to getting my rotorcraft ATP and with the new rules coming August 1st I'm wondering if I need to jump on it. I can't find anything changing rotorcraft rules though.
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You've actually answered you own question. There is nothing changing rotorcraft rules. The new ATP education rules apply to "an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category multiengine class rating or an airline transport pilot certificate obtained concurrently with an airplane type rating" 61.39(d), 61.153(e) with similar references in the rest of the Part 61 ATP requirements.
 
MikeFavinger said:
1. Do I need to get the ATP rotorcraft written done prior to 1 August?
2. Once I do the written and the practical, if I wanted to do an AMEL as an ATP add-on would I have to comply with all the new classes and simulator requirements? I'm not seeing anywhere add-ons changing, but I can't find much.
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1. No
2. Yes unless you take and pass the Airplane Multi Engine written test before August 1st and take the practical before it expires.

Houston said:
14 CFR 61.63(b)(4)

(4) Need not take an additional knowledge test, provided the applicant holds an airplane, rotorcraft, powered-lift, weight-shift-control aircraft, powered parachute, or airship rating at that pilot certificate level.
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This is actually incorrect. The quoted paragraph does not apply to the ATP, see 61.63(a)
 
hammerhat said:
1. No
2. Yes unless you take and pass the Airplane Multi Engine written test before August 1st and take the practical before it expires.



This is actually incorrect. The quoted paragraph does not apply to the ATP, see 61.63(a)
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Good call. 61.165 would apply. Thanks.

(c) Airplane category rating with a multiengine class rating. A person applying for an airline transport certificate with an airplane category and multiengine class rating who holds an airline transport certificate with another aircraft category rating must:

(1) Meet the eligibility requirements of §61.153 of this part;

(2) After July 31, 2014, successfully complete the airline transport pilot certification training program specified in §61.156;

(3) Pass a knowledge test for an airplane category multiengine class rating or type rating on the aeronautical knowledge areas of §61.155(c);

(4) Comply with the requirements in §61.157(b) of this part, if appropriate;

(5) Meet the aeronautical experience requirements of §61.159 or §61.160; and

(6) Pass the practical test on the areas of operation of §61.157(e)(2) of this part.
 
So having an existing ATP-AMEL, and wanting to do a RW add-on does require another written test?
 
MikeD said:
So having an existing ATP-AMEL, and wanting to do a RW add-on does require another written test?
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Yes it does. Although there's a short (50 question) version of the test for added rating. The test code is ARA for airplane add-on and ARH for helicopter add-on.
 
@MikeD and @MikeFavinger
Can you fill me in if and when you do this process..?
I'll qualify shortly after I get out of mother Rucker for an ATP.

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61.161 A
(3) 200 hours of flight time in helicopters, which includes at least 75 hours as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of a pilot in command under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof; and
 
Nark said:
@MikeD and @MikeFavinger
Can you fill me in if and when you do this process..?
I'll qualify shortly after I get out of mother Rucker for an ATP.

Using
61.161 A
(3) 200 hours of flight time in helicopters, which includes at least 75 hours as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of a pilot in command under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof; and
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Not sure how you use that part- I've never seen anyone do it. Normally people wait till they're PCs and have the PC time, then schedule an inspector to ride along on a flight.
 
I did my ATP - RH in the Ar-Tooty-Too (and got a type rating as a bonus...great conversation starter during recurrent).

It is a profanity-free exercise if you are IFR current in any sort of vehicle. Typical systems oriented ATP style oral. If you do it in a ship not SP IFR, the examiner acts as your co-pilot.

Since it was my first ATP, I did the full Monty ATP - RH written and it was "as published".

MikeFavinger said:
For the record, the ATP is stupid.
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Also for the record: "Haters gonna hate"...

Richman
 
Richman said:
I did my ATP - RH in the Ar-Tooty-Too (and got a type rating as a bonus...great conversation starter during recurrent).

It is a profanity-free exercise if you are IFR current in any sort of vehicle. Typical systems oriented ATP style oral. If you do it in a ship not SP IFR, the examiner acts as your co-pilot.

Since it was my first ATP, I did the full Monty ATP - RH written and it was "as published".

Richman
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Is an add-on for me, so that's good. And it'll be in the AStar, so easy enough to manage single pilot (even though not IFR certed helo), and fairly simple systems-wise.....for an Airbus :)

What type did you get?
 
MikeD said:
Is an add-on for me, so that's good. And it'll be in the AStar, so easy enough to manage single pilot (even though not IFR certed helo), and fairly simple systems-wise.....for an Airbus :)

What type did you get?
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I got an R-22 type. 1370 lbs of rotorcraft fury.
 
Richman said:
I got an R-22 type. 1370 lbs of rotorcraft fury.
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Oh that one, due to the SFAR. Kind of a funny one because its not a type rating in the classic sense as we know it, moreso an endorsement having had the training/checkout for it, like the JAAs use where it is known as a formal type rating. Though the US used to actually have type ratings for nearly every model of helo, I think mostly they've gone the way of heavy helo's consistent with fixed wing.
 
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