ATP question

t-cart

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Hey guys,I have a question about the ATP checkride. A friend told me that the oral was just on performance,etc.,of the plane that you take the ride in.In other words , no weather,IFR,FARquestions at all. This is not right, is it. I am going to do it at allatp and this just doesnt sound right to me. Can anyone help me "see the light"? :confused:Is my "friend"trying to get me to screw up? Thanks , FLY SAFE T.C.​
 
I've trained 3 guys for their ATPs (although all sent to the same examiner, YMMV).

Short answer...systems and performance calculations is all thats in the oral. Our examiner likes to make them into scenario questions.

Long answer right from the PTS.
http://www.faa.gov/education_research/testing/airmen/test_standards/pilot/media/FAA-S-8081-5.pdf

I. AREA OF OPERATION: PREFLIGHT PREPARATION

A. TASK: EQUIPMENT EXAMINATION

REFERENCES: 14 CFR part 61; POH; AFM.

Objective. To determine that the applicant:

1. Exhibits adequate knowledge appropriate to the airplane; its
systems and components; its normal, abnormal, and
emergency procedures; and uses the correct terminology
with regard to the following items—
a. landing gear—extension/retraction system(s); indicators,
float devices, brakes, antiskid, tires, nose-wheel steering,
and shock absorbers.
b. powerplant—controls and indications, induction system,
carburetor and fuel injection, turbocharging, cooling, fire
detection/protection, mounting points, turbine wheels,
compressors, deicing, anti-icing, and other related
components.
c. propellers—type, controls, feathering/unfeathering, autofeather,
negative torque sensing, synchronizing, and
synchrophasing.
d. fuel system—capacity; drains; pumps; controls; indicators;
crossfeeding; transferring; jettison; fuel grade, color and
additives; fueling and defueling procedures; and fuel
substitutions, if applicable.
e. oil system—capacity, grade, quantities, and indicators.
f. hydraulic system—capacity, pumps, pressure, reservoirs,
grade, and regulators.
g. electrical system—alternators, generators, battery, circuit
breakers and protection devices, controls, indicators, and
external and auxiliary power sources and ratings.
h. environmental systems—heating, cooling, ventilation,
oxygen and pressurization, controls, indicators, and
regulating devices.
i. avionics and communications—autopilot; flight director;
Electronic Flight Instrument Systems (EFIS); Flight
Management System(s) (FMS); Doppler Radar; Inertial
Navigation Systems (INS); Global Positioning
System/Wide Area Augmentation System/Local Area
Augmentation System (GPS/WAAS/LAAS); VOR, NDB,
ILS/MLS, GLS, RNAV systems and components; traffic
awareness/warning/avoidance systems, terrain
awareness/warning/alert systems; other avionics or
communications equipment, as appropriate; indicating
devices; transponder; and emergency locator transmitter.
j. ice protection—anti-ice, deice, pitot-static system
protection, propeller, windshield, wing and tail surfaces.
k. crewmember and passenger equipment—oxygen system,
survival gear, emergency exits, evacuation procedures
and crew duties, and quick donning oxygen mask for
crewmembers and passengers.
l. flight controls—ailerons, elevator(s), rudder(s), control
tabs, balance tabs, stabilizer, flaps, spoilers, leading edge
flaps/slats and trim systems.
m. pitot-static system with associated instruments and the
power source for the flight instruments.
2. Exhibits adequate knowledge of the contents of the POH or
AFM with regard to the systems and components listed in
paragraph 1 (above); the Minimum Equipment List (MEL), if
appropriate; and the operations specifications, if applicable.


B. TASK: PERFORMANCE AND LIMITATIONS

REFERENCES: 14 CFR parts 1, 61, 91; AFD; POH; AFM; AIM;
AC 120-27; FAA-H-8083-1, FAA-H-8083-3, FAA-H-8083-23, FAA-H-
8083-25.

Objective. To determine that the applicant:

1. Exhibits adequate knowledge of performance and limitations,
including a thorough knowledge of the adverse effects of
exceeding any limitation.
2. Demonstrates proficient use of (as appropriate to the
airplane) performance charts, tables, graphs, or other data
relating to items, such as—
a. accelerate-stop distance.
b. accelerate-go distance.
c. takeoff performance—all engines and with engine(s)
inoperative.
d. climb performance including segmented climb
performance with all engines operating—with one or
more engine(s) inoperative, and with other engine
malfunctions as may be appropriate.
e. service ceiling—all engines, with engines(s) inoperative,
including drift down, if appropriate.
f. cruise performance.
g. fuel consumption, range, and endurance.
h. descent performance.
i. landing distance.
j. land and hold short operations (LAHSO).
k. go-around from rejected landings.
l. other performance data (appropriate to the airplane).
3. Describes (as appropriate to the airplane) the airspeeds
used during specific phases of flight.
4. Describes the effects of meteorological conditions upon
performance characteristics and correctly applies these
factors to a specific chart, table, graph, or other performance
data.
5. Computes the center-of-gravity location for a specific load
condition (as specified by the examiner), including adding,
removing, or shifting weight.
6. Determines if the computed center-of-gravity is within the
forward and aft center-of-gravity limits, and that lateral fuel
balance is within limits for takeoff and landing.
7. Demonstrates adequate knowledge of the adverse effects of
airframe icing during pre-takeoff, takeoff, cruise and landing
phases of flight and corrective actions.
8. Demonstrates good planning and knowledge of procedures in
applying operational factors affecting airplane performance.
9. Demonstrates knowledge of the stabilized approach
procedures and the decision criteria for go-around or rejected
landings.
After that is the preflight the flight maneuvers, and postflight stuff (i.e. the flight portion of the checkride).
 
T-cart,

I did my ATP checkride at ALLATP in New Jersey a few years ago. As I recall, the only questions I was asked were the ones in the little study guide they give you for the Seminole. If you're doing yours there let me know and I'll give you the gouge on my check airman.

Fins
 
T-cart,

I did my ATP checkride at ALLATP in New Jersey a few years ago. As I recall, the only questions I was asked were the ones in the little study guide they give you for the Seminole. If you're doing yours there let me know and I'll give you the gouge on my check airman.

Fins
Hey Fins Up, Thanks,but the plan is to go down to Dallas and do it there.Is this study guide you speak of included in the "package" that they send you prior to your arrival there? Thanks FLY SAFE T.C.
 
I instructed at ATP in FLL,


We mainly did ATP ratings and yes the oral was nothing more than the Seminole supplement you are given when you sign up for the rating. Word to the wise, don't do the 2 day ATP if you have not flown a seminole or are not flying turbo props. In my experience the people that were succesful with the 2 day program were currently turbo prop guys or had seminole experience. Do the 3 day, gives you more time to prepare just in case. With the 2 day program you only get 2 flights and then you go for the checkride.
Also memorize that book before you show up to include procedures. That was the other challenge people had. I knew all could fly but if they did not have their procedures down, they had difficulties with the maneuvers because they were thinking too much.
If you prepare before you show up you'll have no problem. PM if you want to know more about it. I did a great number of ATP's.
 
I instructed at ATP in FLL,


We mainly did ATP ratings and yes the oral was nothing more than the Seminole supplement you are given when you sign up for the rating. Word to the wise, don't do the 2 day ATP if you have not flown a seminole or are not flying turbo props. In my experience the people that were succesful with the 2 day program were currently turbo prop guys or had seminole experience. Do the 3 day, gives you more time to prepare just in case. With the 2 day program you only get 2 flights and then you go for the checkride.
Also memorize that book before you show up to include procedures. That was the other challenge people had. I knew all could fly but if they did not have their procedures down, they had difficulties with the maneuvers because they were thinking too much.
If you prepare before you show up you'll have no problem. PM if you want to know more about it. I did a great number of ATP's.
Thanks a lot Phoenix, I will take you up on your offer around the middle of the month Thanks FLY SAFE T.C.
 
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