ATP pricing

Matt13C

Matt13C

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I called yesterday and was told I would get an email shortly, I have not heard anything back, I assume they are understaffed. I am just curious how pricing works at ATP.

There are a number of generic programs offering a certain number of hours and ratings but nothing that directly fits my situation. I have around 140 hours, passed the IR written and have most of the IR flying done, just 10 hours light on the XC time to take the ride. Id like to finish the IR, get my multi and then the multi/sel comm.

I did some number crunching and it seems to me, the rates hover around 200 per hour when taking the total cost vs hours logged. Is a reasonable price then 20k for the 100 hours I need to complete the ratings or is that being too simplistic?
 
Last I heard, a while ago, your only options would be to enroll in the entire career program and just use the instrument time to get extra proficient (or fly extra cross countries with your CFI). Or get your IR and CSEL somewhere else, then come back to ATP for the individual ratings + CFIs.
 
I did the career program already having my instrument prior to starting. I have heard of a few guys doing that. The flight time that was to be used for my instrument training I used to practice for the private multi ride.
 
Clocks said:
Last I heard, a while ago, your only options would be to enroll in the entire career program and just use the instrument time to get extra proficient (or fly extra cross countries with your CFI). Or get your IR and CSEL somewhere else, then come back to ATP for the individual ratings + CFIs.
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Things have changed a little.... I work next door to ATP and the have all kinds of custom programs going on, pretty much you call them, tell them what you want, and they give you a price. But you are correct, when I worked there it was all or nothing.
 
If you already had your private asel and IR why would you want to do the private MEL and not just the MEL add on once you got your CSEL?
 
The program was take your private multi first, then commercial multi then single add on. Same thing with the cfi, multi initial then single add on.
 
j785sam said:
I did the career program already having my instrument prior to starting. I have heard of a few guys doing that. The flight time that was to be used for my instrument training I used to practice for the private multi ride.
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Thats what I was thinking. I just dont want to pay for that extra time I dont need.

I am trying to figure the best way to finish my ratings. I took a 6 month break, only flew a few times, to save up an emergency fund, company was laying off. In that time some situations changed and I can no longer afford to fly as much as I like to while learning, I prefer to be totally immersed. Currently I could fly 4 hours a month. It would take me 2 years to finish at that pace and cost who knows how much extra from having to relearn maneuvers a few times due to time out of the air.

The only way to get a loan is through ATP or a few other schools, which only ATP is close by. I did the math and if I pay the amount I can afford each month, which is more than the monthly payment, I would not pay too much in interest and can have it payed off in a few years.

Just an option I am considering.
 
ATP will tailor a program to fit the needs of an individual pilot, from just about any stage of training. I have a student here now who enrolled in such a program (finishing IRA, then MEL and CMEL).

If you haven't heard from them, wait a few days and call them back. If you explained your situation to them when you called and gave them your logged hours, they may be figuring out a similar custom course for you as we speak. If not, PM me and I'll see if I can help push your request through.

Cheers!
 
Snuggles said:
ATP will tailor a program to fit the needs of an individual pilot, from just about any stage of training. I have a student here now who enrolled in such a program (finishing IRA, then MEL and CMEL).

If you haven't heard from them, wait a few days and call them back. If you explained your situation to them when you called and gave them your logged hours, they may be figuring out a similar custom course for you as we speak. If not, PM me and I'll see if I can help push your request through.

Cheers!
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Thanks! I actually called again yesterday and spoke with them. They sent me a questionnaire about all my hours logged and took more detailed info. They said to expect a call early next week.

Off hand, do you know how much your student is paying? That is really what I am trying to get at here. Even a ballpark would be helpful.

I also need to stop watching Jersey Shore...at first I saw your name as Snookie. HA
 
Well, I am in a similar boat here. IR rated and right at 100 hours. Too much money and not enough hours to do the 100 hour CMEL and CSEL addon and stuck with AOPA Loan breathing down my neck. Now I had to stop school to start paying that off and take part time community college courses to yield off the college loans from coming in at the same time. Man I miss South Florida.
 
Dynasty22 said:
Well, I am in a similar boat here. IR rated and right at 100 hours. Too much money and not enough hours to do the 100 hour CMEL and CSEL addon and stuck with AOPA Loan breathing down my neck. Now I had to stop school to start paying that off and take part time community college courses to yield off the college loans from coming in at the same time. Man I miss South Florida.
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I feel your pain, but you will be better in the end. Having limited debt when you make the move to aviation will help, I dont know how people afford the 80, 100, 120k loan payments per month. Good luck!
 
matt152 said:
$80 or $100 is manageable. But not 120k per month.
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HA HA sorry, I meant the monthly payment required to pay off a loan of 80k, 100k or 120k so many people accumulate when earning their ratings. A loan for 80k, for 20 years at 8% is over 650 per month. When regionals were hiring fresh coms, schools could charge this and have students not question the logic behind such a large loan.
 
Matt13C said:
schools could charge this and have students not question the logic behind such a large loan.
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I agree. That the banks would loan them this amount to be a professional pilot is just asinine. If the student was not aware of what he was getting into, the underwriter should have been.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
But it comes with your own CRJ-200. Regional airlines won't hire you unless you bring your own plane with you.
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Make sure you toss in the cost of the CRJ transition training too! From 172 to CRJ in 90 days....oh and 150k :rotfl::rotfl:

I hear stories from people here and there of some ATP 'grads' that go to a regional and get to fly a jet, and yeah I'm jealous at times because I'm still bouncing around in a 172 (hey at least i get paid to do it), but at the same time I know they're carrying around 60-120k worth of debt, and I'm only carrying about 15k and I hold the same ratings as them.
 
I challenge you to find any ATP grad with 120K worth of debt from ATP's program. You would have had to take every program twice. :rotfl:
 
eclipse said:
I challenge you to find any ATP grad with 120K worth of debt from ATP's program. You would have had to take every program twice. :rotfl:
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Psh, even if you fast tracked to CFII from 0 hour, twice.

Today's rate is just under 49k for that... http://www.atpflightschool.com/airline_training_programs/airline_career_pilot_program/private.html

Now if you did that same course two years ago, TWICE, you would just barely hit 150k with examiner fees included...

Oh btw, I'm getting personal instruction because of this downturn with ATP...There's no one else in my ground classes.

That means... its just me this month. 1 to 1 baby. What a privilege; once in a life time.

Just sayin.

Cheers! :beer:
 
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