ATP Flight Instructors Pay

[Krieger]

Can someone update me on what you really bring in per month? After taxes... I'm thinking of applying.

Yes I went to ATP

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

From their website:

Flight Instructor Pay

ATP flight instructors receive a very modest base retainer fee, plus additional flight-hour pay and bonuses that correspond to students' on-time, first-time checkride pass. Instructors can earn between $1,800 and $3,000 per month.

At the ATP Scheduling Center and Instructor Proficiency Program in Jacksonville, FL:
$1,500 per Month Retainer
FREE Housing
While at your assigned Training Center:
$750-$1000 per Month Retainer (varies by training center), PLUS
$100 On-Time, First-Time Checkride Pass Bonus for each student, PLUS
$7.50-$12.50 per Flight & FTD Hour (varies by program), PLUS
$15 per FAA Exam Proctored
Housing Available at Training Centers
for $300 per Month (furnished, no lease required)
The more you fly, the more you earn.

 

[killbilly]

Keep in mind this is BEFORE taxes. I believe ATP instructors are 1099'd contractors (do a search on THAT wonderful topic) which means you're on the hook for filing and paying income tax, social security and other associated taxes.

 

[z987k]

Keep in mind this is BEFORE taxes. I believe ATP instructors are 1099'd contractors (do a search on THAT wonderful topic) which means you're on the hook for filing and paying income tax, social security and other associated taxes.

1099'd you pay the self-employment tax, which covers medicare/aid and SS. 15.3% iirc? As opposed to 7.5%, again iirc, if you're employed(your employer picks up the other half).

 

[Krieger]

From their website:

Asked for a current instructor to reveal realistic pay. Not ATP propaganda. Even if it might be true.

 

[SuperCubRick]

I made $1350 my first half month at ATP, $1800 2nd month, $2,700 two months ago (lots of checkride passes, 13 I believe, so that was $1,300), and $2100 this past month. All before taxes.

 

[Itchy]

Ooofa. That pay brings a tear to my eye. Oh the memories.

 

[Bud01]

I made $1350 my first half month at ATP, $1800 2nd month, $2,700 two months ago (lots of checkride passes, 13 I believe, so that was $1,300), and $2100 this past month. All before taxes.

It really depends on where you are at. I am at Chicago and make about 1500 a month. We have to deal with the weather on a constant basis unlike the instructors in PHX or the south.

 

[SpiraMirabilis]

I read this interesting document produced by the government of Minnesota:

http://www.auditor.leg.state.mn.us/ped/pedrep/missclass.pdf

 

[z987k]

I read this interesting document produced by the government of Minnesota:

http://www.auditor.leg.state.mn.us/ped/pedrep/missclass.pdf

Yeah, calling a 141 instructor an independent contractor is pretty much impossible. You could say you are contracted to complete each student, but at that point you become an employee. It's interesting that they leave themselves open to the potential legal problems of misclassifying workers.

 

[SpiraMirabilis]

Can fill out a Form 3949-A, I'm surprised nobody has. Hard to understand the IRS, really.

 

[z987k]

Can fill out a Form 3949-A, I'm surprised nobody has. Hard to understand the IRS, really.

Well I don't know if people really want to burn a bridge that badly. I guess if they were already screwing you.... or a competitor who can't offer the same rates because it cost 20% more to have an employee.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Well I don't know if people really want to burn a bridge that badly. I guess if they were already screwing you.... or a competitor who can't offer the same rates because it cost 20% more to have an employee.

Note - See instructions

Instructions:

6. Enter your name, street address, city, state, zip code and a telephone number where you can be contacted. Indicate
time of day you may be contacted if appropriate. This Information is not Required to Process Your Report

Other than the IRS's inappropriate use of the SHIFT key in the bolded sentence, it sounds like you can send Forms 3949-A anonymously.

 

[SpiraMirabilis]

Even if you didn't do it anonymously, the IRS doesn't really have a policy of going up to the potential nar-do-wells and saying: 'Hey, Jimmy says you're a crook, how do you respond to that?' especially when there is a box: Are these people dangerous? Y/N

Good way to get their informants sleeping with the fishes, capiche?

 

[Lunchbox]

I made $1350 my first half month at ATP, $1800 2nd month, $2,700 two months ago (lots of checkride passes, 13 I believe, so that was $1,300), and $2100 this past month. All before taxes.

Did you spend a lot of extra hours doing required unpaid work?

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Even if you didn't do it anonymously, the IRS doesn't really have a policy of going up to the potential nar-do-wells and saying: 'Hey, Jimmy says you're a crook, how do you respond to that?' especially when there is a box: Are these people dangerous? Y/N

Good way to get their informants sleeping with the fishes, capiche?

I am well aware that Internal Revenue spends more of their time worrying about criminals than simple misclassifications.