ATA to pull out of Chicago!

MSNBC ATA story

"On Tuesday, the Financial Times newspaper reported that Seabury Group, a boutique investment bank specializing in transportation, had been asked to find buyers for ATA's leases on 14 airport gates at Midway.

Both ATA and Seabury Group declined comment.

According to the FT, the Indianapolis-based airline is also seeking buyers for its more than 30 Boeing 737-800 jets. AirTran Airways (AAI) and Mesa Airlines (MESA) are "among those understood to be interested," the newspaper reported. Neither airline returned calls for comment."

JO wants 738s? Didn't he try that once and couldn't make it work with ALPA?
 
No, the strike ballot thing really screws him if it passes--pilots on probation have no union protections and can be fired for honoring the strike.
 
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pilots on probation have no union protections and can be fired for honoring the strike.

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And if he doesn't honor the strike he'll be forever labled a SCAB... Talk about a rock and a hard place...
 
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pilots on probation have no union protections and can be fired for honoring the strike.

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And if he doesn't honor the strike he'll be forever labled a SCAB... Talk about a rock and a hard place...

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Then probably fired.......best of both worlds....... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Relax folks. XJet most likely isnt going to strike. Taking a strike vote is like yelling at someone who cut you off in the street, and telling them you're going to beat them up. Id much rather be at Xjet now then at CHiex. Even if they do strike, they most likely will only furlough and not fire. Firing someone without option for return would be hurting there own cause to just have to hire somone else and train someone else in the same a/c.
I dont know enough about ATA, but why hasnt the low fare formula worked for them?? I guess they arent greyhound enough.
 
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I dont know enough about ATA, but why hasnt the low fare formula worked for them?? I guess they arent greyhound enough.

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They are trying to run a hub directly against a SWA hub. I'd say AirTran or JetBlue would have found that difficult to do as well. When you are chipping away at legacy carriers you can throw in some $499 fares and still look cheap.
 
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No, the strike ballot thing really screws him if it passes--pilots on probation have no union protections and can be fired for honoring the strike.

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Not really true. All employees have a statutory right to engage in collective action (i.e., a strike). It doesn't matter whether you have union protections or not or whether you're on "probation" or not. You can't fire an employee for striking.

This shouldn't be confused with strike replacements. An employer can hire replacements for striking workers (this is rare for pilots because of the time and expense required to train a whole new group of pilots) during the strike. In some circumstances, the employer may not be required to boot the replacements to bring back strikers after the strike is over. The employer would, however, likely have to put the replaced strikers first in line for "rehire" when new openings appear.

Workers of the world unite!!

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I don't believe in strike action. I'd never ever do it myself, it goes against all economic sense, and is something used by people who obviously have no idea of their role in a business and are selfishly looking out for themselves and not the group good of whoever they are working for. By striking you put the company itself at risk, especially in a competitive field like the airline industry.

Why shouldn't salaries and worker's benefits be detemined by the open job market, just as the price of goods in a shop is?

If you think you are paying underpaid, then go and work somewhere else. The basis: the company will get what it pays for!!
 
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I don't believe in strike action. I'd never ever do it myself, it goes against all economic sense, and is something used by people who obviously have no idea of their role in a business and are selfishly looking out for themselves and not the group good of whoever they are working for. By striking you put the company itself at risk, especially in a competitive field like the airline industry.

Why shouldn't salaries and worker's benefits be detemined by the open job market, just as the price of goods in a shop is?

If you think you are paying underpaid, then go and work somewhere else. The basis: the company will get what it pays for!!

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Don't believe in unions? Fine. But don't go around knocking people for using LAWFUL means to assure they get paid as much as they can. If a CEO can "negotiate" to get paid as much as he or she can why, then , is it "selfish" when employees do the same?

Speaking of selfishness ... when was the last time you took a voluntary pay cut to help out your company?

Didn't think so ...
 
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Yeah, like the people who get 400 times the wages of their average workers sure are. And then they go and label the people who ask for a few more crumbs greedy.

After all, guys like Lay, Skilling, Kozlowski, Ebbers, and the Rigases were looking out for the group good when they shafted their companies.
 
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I don't believe in strike action. I'd never ever do it myself, it goes against all economic sense, and is something used by people who obviously have no idea of their role in a business and are selfishly looking out for themselves and not the group good of whoever they are working for. By striking you put the company itself at risk, especially in a competitive field like the airline industry.

Why shouldn't salaries and worker's benefits be detemined by the open job market, just as the price of goods in a shop is?

If you think you are paying underpaid, then go and work somewhere else. The basis: the company will get what it pays for!!

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Ha! If we left things up to the open market totally then there would be a bunch of starry eyed pilots saying they would do it for free and no one would get paid
 
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I don't believe in strike action.

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And how much do airline pilots make over in the UK??

Now, put two and two together.
 
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I dont know enough about ATA, but why hasnt the low fare formula worked for them?? I guess they arent greyhound enough.

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ATA grew wayyyyyyyy to fast, not exactly the South West Formula, flying the 737-800 & the 757's at the same time must be killing them in crew training alone, both aircraft are pretty close when it comes to number of seats. If they wanted to go with "2" fleet types, they should have looked at a smaller aircraft. To chastise ATA a little more, during all of this expansion, they were building a training center, would have been cheaper to just rent simulator time elsewhere.

As far as those "30" 737-800's, I believe that most of them are leased, so, that will be intersting how ATA can get out of the contract.
 
I'm home for the weekend and only have time for browing through a few of the 120+ new threads (and over 2200 new posts) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif but I thought I'd reply. First, I don't think there is a lot of fact surrounding these news reports about ATA. I don't think they are planning on pulling out anytime soon, unless they go Chapter 7. MDW is their biggest hub.

About XJT and the strike. I won't say too much about it, but I will say should I decide to not go to work during a strike I will be fired. However, normally contractual language in the final contract negotiation process will state that all probationary pilots fired during the strike be rehired.

Rock and a hard place? No, not really. It's a pretty straight forward decision to me what to do in case of a strike. Am I worried? No. I think things will work out just fine.

Hopefully the pilot group here will be able to get what we need to move regional contracts in the right direction: FORWARD.
 
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