ASA getting 900s early....
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meyers9163
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The true question is what is your rate going to be for these planes. Is this already been determined in your contract? Or are you all going to be flying them for some bs override like Skywest does?
Trip7
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900 and 700 fall under the same payrate that is on APC
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Good.
meyers9163
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Good? How is that good when there's no difference between a 700 and a 900 plane?
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
That was a sarcastic good, I thought it was obvious.
meyers9163
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I missed it damn it!
CRJDriver
Well-Known Member
That's what you think.
surreal1221
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Yeah, this is great news. Yipee!
We don't have anything yet. . .and clearly history shows that Delta has no problem re-allocating the resources.
Which is clearly a sign that shows the golden ticket of "Growth" was used to simply protect negotiating capital as opposed to really designing and negotiating a seperate payscale for the aircraft.
Of course I could go and search the other companies who are involved in this shady business we call regional lift but. . .
Who out there have seperate -900 / -700 pay scales?
The better question is, with the multitude of Section 6 negotiations approaching, who will be the first to establish it?
Now, specifically in regards to DCI companies. Although Delta scope is restricted to 76 seats, remember that Delta (AFAIK) has a 90 seat pay rate.
Let the fun begin.
We don't have anything yet. . .and clearly history shows that Delta has no problem re-allocating the resources.
Which is clearly a sign that shows the golden ticket of "Growth" was used to simply protect negotiating capital as opposed to really designing and negotiating a seperate payscale for the aircraft.
Of course I could go and search the other companies who are involved in this shady business we call regional lift but. . .
Who out there have seperate -900 / -700 pay scales?
The better question is, with the multitude of Section 6 negotiations approaching, who will be the first to establish it?
Now, specifically in regards to DCI companies. Although Delta scope is restricted to 76 seats, remember that Delta (AFAIK) has a 90 seat pay rate.
Let the fun begin.
meyers9163
Well-Known Member
I'm on the street but I can tell you one pilot group that said take your same payscale to fly these larger planes and shove up! Yup that'd be the pilots of PSA. Had a chance way before Mesa got all those 900's to fly those for the same rate and told management by a large vote to take it and shove it.
I can also tell you that as of right now our group has blended rates. And for us to fly those 900's if indeed mgt wants us to in the future; it will not be on 700 rates.
zmiller4
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surreal1221
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Blended rates for the -200 and -700 I assume.
Thanks for the information meyers.
I'm afraid our local leadership (MEC) has failed us in regards to sufficiently negotiating appropriate crew complement requirements for securing jobs by utilizing a single pay scale for two airframes.
To think if we could seperate each of the airframes. Three staffing requirements to satisfy, three reserve lists, three FO line lists to build, three Captain line lists to build, three vacation bids to manage. Etc.
But - whatever. Maybe next time right? When the company will be using PBS as negotiating capital to minimize the size of our pilot group again.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
MAG was the only group that I could find after a quick search. It's too bad the bar wasn't sit high for others to reach or exceed though.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Yes we do have a 90 seat payrate. These are the latest 2009 rates, 12yr to 01yr. Although I personally think that they are too low, the idea was to recapture the flying and then bring the rates up
EMB-195
CA
115.90 115.05 114.16 113.28 112.42 111.54 110.69 109.80 108.95 108.08 107.20 106.40
EMB-190/CRJ-900
CA
98.60 97.88 97.12 96.37 95.64 94.89 94.16 93.41 92.69 91.94 91.20 90.52
EMB-195
FO
79.16 78.46 77.74 76.69 75.88 74.17 72.17 70.38 68.75 67.12 57.35 49.61
EMB-190/CRJ-900
FO
67.34 66.75 66.14 65.25 64.56 63.10 61.39 59.88 58.49 57.09 49.61 49.61
CRJDriver
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All the rates suck. Nobody is looking at the big picture, if we keep flying these nice shiny CRJ900 or E170 for crappy pay and we keep getting more and more at the regional airline level, there won't be any major airline job left to go to. Hope you like flying your E170/CR9 for crappy pay for the rest of your career.
surreal1221
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Thanks Cpt. While I haven't been inside a -900 or Larger EMB product. . .
An all coach configuration on either of those certainly isn't appealing to Delta Marketing when they can easily farm the flying out and reduce the seats by 14 and make it a two class configuration as opposed to 90 seats squished nice and tight.
An all coach configuration on either of those certainly isn't appealing to Delta Marketing when they can easily farm the flying out and reduce the seats by 14 and make it a two class configuration as opposed to 90 seats squished nice and tight.
Trip7
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First off looking at your "blended" payscales I would have told them to shove it too
Our 50 seat rates are higher than your "blended".Next, you would have flown 86 seat 900s for Airways.
Our 900 has 6 more seats than the 700.
3rd, besides Horizon we have the highest payscale in the regional industry for 51-76 seats. When you throw in our soft pay stuff we probably are the highest overall. I'm sure PCL 128 can confirm this from ALPA studies.
