anyone using this?

Derg

New Arizona, Il Duce/Warlord
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Might be something to look into if I ever get around to bidding the 737-800.

Loudest cockpit noise next to the 727!
 

Mr_Creepy

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That's because captains insist on flying them so fast.

If you climb and descend at 310 kts like the book says it's not so loud. I always had these dorks who wanted to go 330 kts everywhere.

One of them used to tell me, "I see the barber pole not as a limitation, but as a goal." And yes, Jason, I know you got that either from me or him
 

MikeD

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That's because captains insist on flying them so fast.

If you climb and descend at 310 kts like the book says it's not so loud. I always had these dorks who wanted to go 330 kts everywhere.

One of them used to tell me, "I see the barber pole not as a limitation, but as a goal." And yes, Jason, I know you got that either from me or him



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What's wrong with some speed?
 

Eagle

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What's wrong with some speed?

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I'm sorry mike, I thought you flew the A-10, didn't want to upset you with speed references..

heh
 

MikeD

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What's wrong with some speed?

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I'm sorry mike, I thought you flew the A-10, didn't want to upset you with speed references..

heh

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Owww! Body blow!!!
 

Derg

New Arizona, Il Duce/Warlord
Staff member
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What's wrong with some speed?

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I'm sorry mike, I thought you flew the A-10, didn't want to upset you with speed references..

heh

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Ouch!

Alas, when there's a malcontent T-54 meandering around my neighborhood causing havoc and general malaise, I want MikeD to have plenty of time to unleash hell!


BTW, what's high speed cruise, Mike?
 

MikeD

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[BTW, what's high speed cruise, Mike?

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Down low is where we make our money. At 1500 MSL, about 375. Get up to altitude, the fans are darn efficient, but have no power. I've been stuck behind KC-10s up at FL 220. I'm at max power, he's at a deck angle of 15 degrees, flaps @15, and at 205 on the speed, bitching all to hell (and rightfully so). I eventually have to have him tobaggan (descend) so I can effect a hookup.

Air-air refueling is a pain in the ass. Especially when I was deploying to Afghan. Was flying in IMC off the tanker's wingtip nav light since I couldn't see the tanker well. Time to A/R, I have to drop down and cross under moving my eyes from the wingtip to the #1 engine when it appears out of the clouds/rain then along the wing to the boom when it appears out of the clouds. Try flying with your only reference being a solitary A/R boom surrounded by clouds, talk about Spatial D hell.
 

Center_Mid

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Was flying in IMC off the tanker's wingtip nav light since I couldn't see the tanker well.

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Why do this in IMC? Was there no clear FL available? Seems extremely risky, especially if the boom operator can't see you or the fuel port.
 

MikeD

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Was flying in IMC off the tanker's wingtip nav light since I couldn't see the tanker well.

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Why do this in IMC? Was there no clear FL available? Seems extremely risky, especially if the boom operator can't see you or the fuel port.

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Risky as hell, but you make do with what you have. When we transit, we get an ALTRV reserved. At the time, we were approaching the East Coast heading out to the Atlantic. The WX sucked up to about FL 260 (so the tanker said) and we can't operate up there very well. Either way, Boston ARTCC couldn't, or wouldn't, let us change altitudes. I couldn't be sure, since the tanker is the one that talks to ATC and handles all the comm with them, the fighters are on a discreet UHF with the tanker. In fact, the we're on the tankers flight plan. For the fuel port, it's on the nose of the A-10 right in front of the cockpit. I was able to make out the boom and just see the boomers station from beyond the clouds/precip rushing past between us. Couldn't see the director lights under the fuselage, but no matter, there's backup visual references to use if you can see them. We usually try to transit low-medium block; about 16,000 to FL 190 max. We're heavyweight when we transit (for an underpowered plane) with a single bag of gas hanging underneath the centerline (4000 lbs), a 600lb ECM pod on one wingtip station, one or two AIM-9s on the opposite wing station, two travel pods (@350 lbs each), and a full gun.
 

Eagle

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two travel pods (@350 lbs each),

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wow that is one heavy golf bag you got ther sir.
 

Derg

New Arizona, Il Duce/Warlord
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What kind of airplane are you flying Mike D?

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Mike's flying a A-10 out at Davis-Monthan!

 
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