montanapilot
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Does anybody here have any experience with these type of training programs? Good or Bad, Happy or Unhappy
Anybody ever done a 10 or 14 day instrument rating?
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stuckingfk
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Would you get in an airplane on a SOLID IFR day with a guy who has a newly minted IFR ticket that took him 10 days to get?
Hmmmmmmmm..........that's a tough one!
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Yep, sure would. He/she passed the same checkride as everyone else.
Would you get in an airplane on a SOLID IFR day with a guy who has a newly minted IFR ticket that took him 10 days to get?
Hmmmmmmmm..........that's a tough one!
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Yep, sure would. He/she passed the same checkride as everyone else.
racemey
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I did a 10 day instrument rating program last year and you can read my previous posts to get the details. If I had to do it over again, I probably would not choose that route. If you are planning on being a career pilot, I definitely would not choose that option. Take your time and do it right. There is a lot of information to absorb. If you did choose to do the accelerated option, opt for the longer, ie 14 day period. I did it in basically 9 days, flying 4 hours a day. I had some IFR instruction coming in, but it was a real grind to get it done that fast.
After I got the rating, I was so burned on instrument flying I had no desire to go out and do more. As of right now, I am not instrument current and have been strictly VFR since I passed the checkride. I have gone out and done enough practice approaches and other legally required minimums to avoid an Instrument Proficiency Check, though I think an IPC would probably be something I will do if I get more serious about doing actual instrument flying. Right now, I'm trying to finish the Commercial and enjoying flying the taildragger.
Best wishes on whatever you decide.
Rob
After I got the rating, I was so burned on instrument flying I had no desire to go out and do more. As of right now, I am not instrument current and have been strictly VFR since I passed the checkride. I have gone out and done enough practice approaches and other legally required minimums to avoid an Instrument Proficiency Check, though I think an IPC would probably be something I will do if I get more serious about doing actual instrument flying. Right now, I'm trying to finish the Commercial and enjoying flying the taildragger.
Best wishes on whatever you decide.
Rob
mtsu_av8er
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after I had about 5 hours of instrument training and finished up my 50 hours of XC/40 hours of simulated instrument on my own, I finished up with about 11 hours of instruction over about 10 days. Worked just fine for me, but your results may vary. I'd say that if you're willing to dedicate yourself to it and bust your butt, it can be done with no problem.
As far as getting in the airplane with someone who did it in a quick course, yes. Definately...without a doubt. I'm all for accelerated programs, and I think that they can work wonders. Anybody wanna come to Nashville for 10 days and knock one out? I'll help you get it!!!
As far as getting in the airplane with someone who did it in a quick course, yes. Definately...without a doubt. I'm all for accelerated programs, and I think that they can work wonders. Anybody wanna come to Nashville for 10 days and knock one out? I'll help you get it!!!
RiddlePilot
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Would you get in an airplane on a SOLID IFR day with a guy who has a newly minted IFR ticket that took him 10 days to get?
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The short and long answers are "it depends." I've really grown to hate the old cliche of "he/she has the same certificate." While that's technically true, the phrase implies that we all fly exactly the same way. As any pilot will tell you, that's completely wrong. I've known some pretty shady instrument pilots that have been through long courses, and I've known some instrument pilots that have some real talent that have been through shorter programs. They've both got the same rating, but one's probably destined to become a smoking hole at the outer marker.
See what I mean?
Would you get in an airplane on a SOLID IFR day with a guy who has a newly minted IFR ticket that took him 10 days to get?
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The short and long answers are "it depends." I've really grown to hate the old cliche of "he/she has the same certificate." While that's technically true, the phrase implies that we all fly exactly the same way. As any pilot will tell you, that's completely wrong. I've known some pretty shady instrument pilots that have been through long courses, and I've known some instrument pilots that have some real talent that have been through shorter programs. They've both got the same rating, but one's probably destined to become a smoking hole at the outer marker.
See what I mean?
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Anybody wanna come to Nashville for 10 days and knock one out? I'll help you get it!!!
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I wish I could!! My brother is going to Vandy next year so I 'll be down your way at some point during the fall too visit him.
I would love to land a job down south, once I get out of here and I'm countin on you to open up a few doors for me!!
No pressure though!!!
Matt
Anybody wanna come to Nashville for 10 days and knock one out? I'll help you get it!!!
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I wish I could!! My brother is going to Vandy next year so I 'll be down your way at some point during the fall too visit him.
I would love to land a job down south, once I get out of here and I'm countin on you to open up a few doors for me!!
No pressure though!!!
Matt
pilot602
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Would you get in an airplane on a SOLID IFR day with a guy who has a newly minted IFR ticket that took him 10 days to get?
Hmmmmmmmm..........that's a tough one!
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Would you get in an airplane on a solid IFR day with a guy who has a newly minted IFR ticket ... period?
That's an easy one.
Would you get in an airplane on a SOLID IFR day with a guy who has a newly minted IFR ticket that took him 10 days to get?
Hmmmmmmmm..........that's a tough one!
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Would you get in an airplane on a solid IFR day with a guy who has a newly minted IFR ticket ... period?
That's an easy one.
mrivc211
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If you are planning on being a career pilot, I definitely would not choose that option.
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I don't think it makes too much of a difference speaking from a safety stand point. In both instances, career pilot or not, your risking lives. But from a career standpoint, you are correct.
I see a lot of you are in support of these 10 day programs. I have to reply by saying there is something to be said about building experience over time. As a previous poster said, every pilot is different regardless of who has the same ticket. That means absolutely nothing. If we all had private pilot licenses would that make all of us the same quality of pilots? No. Looking back at it, I cant imagine spending only 10 days to get this rating. No way no how. You may be able to pass your checkride but the issue fo safety is what I'm refering to. Not whether we all have the same certificates.
I'm still learning to this day, and as many of the professional pilots out there on this forum have said, they continue to learn as the days grow on!
My examiner said something to me the day I got my private, he said, "the private pilots license is a license to learn to fly, now you can go out and learn for yourself". In other words, he was saying you never stop learning.
If you are planning on being a career pilot, I definitely would not choose that option.
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I don't think it makes too much of a difference speaking from a safety stand point. In both instances, career pilot or not, your risking lives. But from a career standpoint, you are correct.
I see a lot of you are in support of these 10 day programs. I have to reply by saying there is something to be said about building experience over time. As a previous poster said, every pilot is different regardless of who has the same ticket. That means absolutely nothing. If we all had private pilot licenses would that make all of us the same quality of pilots? No. Looking back at it, I cant imagine spending only 10 days to get this rating. No way no how. You may be able to pass your checkride but the issue fo safety is what I'm refering to. Not whether we all have the same certificates.
I'm still learning to this day, and as many of the professional pilots out there on this forum have said, they continue to learn as the days grow on!
My examiner said something to me the day I got my private, he said, "the private pilots license is a license to learn to fly, now you can go out and learn for yourself". In other words, he was saying you never stop learning.
Cosmo1999
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I think the good thing about the accelerated thing is that you get to practice over and over and get really proficent. I only had 8 days of practice at 4 hours a day for a 121 CRJ checkride, talk about intense without having any prior jet time... You are definately proficent by the end but id have to say they can be quite exhausting. At the end of each day I was about ready to pass out. I would definately want to get a couple times in the soup with an instructor before going in the clouds with friends or family. All in all though I think it is beneficial to take it a bit slower however I know plenty of guys that did a 10-14 day IFR program and they are solid pilots with great instrument skills.
mtsu_av8er
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I only had 8 days of practice at 4 hours a day for a 121 CRJ checkride, talk about intense without having any prior jet time... You are definately proficent by the end but id have to say they can be quite exhausting.
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And I think that's a good point! Airline train people at a quick pace all the time! If you're not going to stay in practice, then I'd say that it's a waste. However, if you can stay at it hardcore you'll be good to go.
I only had 8 days of practice at 4 hours a day for a 121 CRJ checkride, talk about intense without having any prior jet time... You are definately proficent by the end but id have to say they can be quite exhausting.
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And I think that's a good point! Airline train people at a quick pace all the time! If you're not going to stay in practice, then I'd say that it's a waste. However, if you can stay at it hardcore you'll be good to go.
pilotjww
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I did the 10-day IA with PIC back in Jan 1992. It actually took me 13 days, because the instructor dropped the FTD one day, and my electric fuel pump crunched on another day.
Overall, I was happy with the process, and have recommended PIC or fast concentrated high-retention training to anyone that asks. I flew 4 hrs of simulator every day, and 4 hours in my Arrow the rest of the day. We flew real IMC, I saw low ceilings and vis (300-2) and trace ice during training in January. One evening upon arriving back home we experienced what I thought was a carrier deck looming out of the dark mist. It was just the landing lights aside the runway, but that optical illusion has reminded me to trust the gauges over the years. I wanted to experience real wx with a competent instructor, and that's what I got.
Today, FTDs are a lot more electronic, and may be even more valuable than the old mechanical on which I learned. Also today, there are several outfits that take an extended cross-country for IMC work, which look interesting as a practical way to gain training experience.
You decide how you''ll train best, but I usually recommend getting it done as rapidly as you can afford, and then get out into the real IFR world and do your cloud busting on they way to your next objective.
Overall, I was happy with the process, and have recommended PIC or fast concentrated high-retention training to anyone that asks. I flew 4 hrs of simulator every day, and 4 hours in my Arrow the rest of the day. We flew real IMC, I saw low ceilings and vis (300-2) and trace ice during training in January. One evening upon arriving back home we experienced what I thought was a carrier deck looming out of the dark mist. It was just the landing lights aside the runway, but that optical illusion has reminded me to trust the gauges over the years. I wanted to experience real wx with a competent instructor, and that's what I got.
Today, FTDs are a lot more electronic, and may be even more valuable than the old mechanical on which I learned. Also today, there are several outfits that take an extended cross-country for IMC work, which look interesting as a practical way to gain training experience.
You decide how you''ll train best, but I usually recommend getting it done as rapidly as you can afford, and then get out into the real IFR world and do your cloud busting on they way to your next objective.