And the winner is...

TUCKnTRUCK said:
If they bought the ticket, then your contract spells out the steps. (not that I'd want another ISL) but, I'd be interested to see how that played out for people who bailed for RAH, got a new hire number there...

Good luck to all, and try not to speculate too much. It won't be right anyways.
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You bailing to another airline or getting out altogether? Too bad we never got to fly together. Good luck man.
 
Kingairer said:
Why would republic buy the Colgan Certificate?
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They don't have to train 500+ pilots. They don't need to do proving runs. They don't need to hire mechanics. They don't need to buy parts inventory. They don't need to get a training dpeartment up and running. They don't need to get approval to run new check airman with new pilots. they don't need to train and hire FA's etc. It takes more than just pilots and planes to make an airline run. 9L is on the chopping block, and it's cheap right now.

It's much easier to take over an operation than to start one up, or revive a dead one.

500 pilots at 20k a pop ( so i've heard for training expenses) = 10 mil...
 
I doubt they will buy the Colgan certificate. Unless they surrendered the Lynx certificate they already have the Q400 approved. If they bought the Colgan certificate I think it would trigger our fragmentation clause, but I could be wrong.
 
DL31082 said:
I doubt they will buy the Colgan certificate. Unless they surrendered the Lynx certificate they already have the Q400 approved. If they bought the Colgan certificate I think it would trigger our fragmentation clause, but I could be wrong.
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They very well may want the fragmentation clause... getting the pilots for free with the planes isn't always a bad thing...
 
If they buy the cert, then they have just about zero training costs. Colgan already has the Q staffed and trained. If Republic buys Colgan they get the pilots as well. This means that the current Q400 pilots at Colgan would not have to go through training.

If they just buy the aircraft and not Colgan? Well lets just say its going to be extremely tough to put over 200 new pilots through a full training program in a few months.

If Republic really wants to ramp up a full UAX Q400 program by November, this seems like the only way to do it. How else are they going to get 30 Q400s operational by November?
 
nc1982 said:
You bailing to another airline or getting out altogether? Too bad we never got to fly together. Good luck man.
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Out of 121. found a job that pays better, and i'll be in my bed when I sleep... twins on the way had me moving, Ch.11 just made up my mind.
 
3enginejock said:
If they buy the cert, then they have just about zero training costs. Colgan already has the Q staffed and trained. If Republic buys Colgan they get the pilots as well. This means that the current Q400 pilots at Colgan would not have to go through training.

If they just buy the aircraft and not Colgan? Well lets just say its going to be extremely tough to put over 200 new pilots through a full training program in a few months.

If Republic really wants to ramp up a full UAX Q400 program by November, this seems like the only way to do it. How else are they going to get 30 Q400s operational by November?
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Anyways, when does RAH not buy the whole damn thing? :) kidding of course.

I hope for all you guys, that the only change is the address on your paystub...
 
I don't think any airline would touch the Colgan name after the BUF incident. Even Pinnacle planned to get rid of the Colgan name altogether. I can't say this news surprises me, just another typical merri go around in the regional industry. Contract flying will be moved from a higher cost carrier to a lower cost carrier. ASA/Comair jets to GoJets, Colgan's Q400s to Republic/CHQ/Lynx.

And lets not forget the real history of these Qs in the first place. The whole deal was struck and the Qs financed from money earned from the backs of Pinnacle pilots, only to buy a non-union airline (Colgan) and used them to grow at Pinnacle (ALPA) pilots' expense, all the while telling them the ALPA contract proposal would bankrupt the company.
 
DL31082 said:
Where are they going to get those new hires? They are already having a problem filling classes.
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32 planes, 4 already staffed so 280 pilots. PNCL alone is furloughing 450. They'll find pilots

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32 planes is only about 160 new hires...they can do that over time as we are only starting some of the planes in Q3...not all of them. There is no need to buy the Colgan cert...the 4 planes operating now account for the proving runs, etc.. As far as FA's...DEN and MCI are full of FA's that have flown the Q and can do both.

This isn't complete yet as our contract doesn't even have rates for a TP. BB can dangle this carrot all he wants. I'll take a new contract over new flying any day.
 
MusketeerMan said:
32 planes is only about 160 new hires...they can do that over time as we are only starting some of the planes in Q3...not all of them. There is no need to buy the Colgan cert...the 4 planes operating now account for the proving runs, etc.. As far as FA's...DEN and MCI are full of FA's that have flown the Q and can do both.

This isn't complete yet as our contract doesn't even have rates for a TP. BB can dangle this carrot all he wants. I'll take a new contract over new flying any day.
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the pilots are a small part of the whole pie. Starting up a new op is not cheap, ESP. If a ready to run op can be had for pennies.

MX has been hanging original engines on the saabs, but, not the original q's. If the q's were going back to the edc, they would be prepping for that. Alb MX hasn't even looked at pulling an original motor out of a crate.
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
the pilots are a small part of the whole pie. Starting up a new op is not cheap, ESP. If a ready to run op can be had for pennies.

MX has been hanging original engines on the saabs, but, not the original q's. If the q's were going back to the edc, they would be prepping for that. Alb MX hasn't even looked at pulling an original motor out of a crate.
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There is more to this than just the Q's. The Unical 145 program that was suppose to be expiring will not expire as planned. It is expanding with additional airframes as well as keeping the current ones flying. BB probably included this as part of taking on the Q operation. As much as I think he's a jackass, he's fairly smart when negotiating FFD stuff...now if we could just unload the F9 mess.
 
MusketeerMan said:
There is more to this than just the Q's. The Unical 145 program that was suppose to be expiring will not expire as planned. It is expanding with additional airframes as well as keeping the current ones flying. BB probably included this as part of taking on the Q operation. As much as I think he's a jackass, he's fairly smart when negotiating FFD stuff...now if we could just unload the F9 mess.
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Right.. Honestly, all things aside, the "easiest" way to pull this off I just to take Colgan. Colgan was gone anyways, so it's a cheap buy.

On the flip side, if 9l didn't get sold off, keeping the contract stipulated displacement rights would put 9e in a deep hole. They haven't moved for out of order furloughs... I would think because there is a good chance Colgan goes.

I would think you guys would want a fair amount of the contract language the Colgan contract brings with it as well
 
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