American Flyers?
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futurepilot1
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I believe that is just for the Private...with the 141/FAA approved coures, you don't need a checkride. The add only says you don't need 50 hrs inst x-country, it doesn't say you don't need an instrument checkride.Has any one earned an instrument rating without having taken the flight test?
At least, that is the way the guy there explained it when i toured the place.
JOEFRIDAY2
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New pilots need all the hours they can get.
15% fewer hours doesn't benefit your training or your log book.
Think about this....
Has anyone ever told any pilot they need fewer hours?
If you read these boards, you will see it's the other way around. Everyone seems to need more hours.
It's false economy that can come back to bite you.
Joe
15% fewer hours doesn't benefit your training or your log book.
Think about this....
Has anyone ever told any pilot they need fewer hours?
If you read these boards, you will see it's the other way around. Everyone seems to need more hours.
It's false economy that can come back to bite you.
Joe
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Actually it helps your pocketbook with having less hours. The people that need more hours don't want to pay for them. Getting a commercial certificate in the least amount of hours would be a great benefit as you can now be paid for your hours instead of paying $100+ per hour of flight.
Now about not needing a formal flight test they are talking about the check ride. American Flyers can do in house check rides for some of their 141 courses. This means once you complete the course, you are issued a certificate. Usually the final lesson is basically a check ride given by the chief or check instructor. If you fail, it actually doesn't count as a failure for a certificate. Instead you just failed a lesson and that is all.
LoadMasterC141
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I usually like the structure of a 141 program, but in the IFR case, I think it is too short. That is the one rating that should NEVER be shortcutted.
Callador
New Member
The nice thing about the 141 instrument is not having to do the 50hrs PIC XR. It helps you get the rating faster. If you are planning on getting the commerical though, you will have to get that 50 hours for it. So it is all the same in the end. 
And as for being a shorter course, it can be, but depends on your current flight hours. 141 private and instrument are both 35 (70 total). And the commerical is 120, so if you did everything at minimums you could get the commerical in 190. But I see guys come in all the time and think that it is 190 total for the commerical no matter what their previous training has been, and that is false. It is an additional 120 hours no matter what. So if you had 200 hours, you would be at 320 when you finish the course. So depending on the pilot, 61 can be nice.
I say this because I work for a 141 school, but I did all my ratings part 61. Either one works, and remember you can get 50 hours FTD for the 61 commerical, so you only need 200 flight hours.
And as for being a shorter course, it can be, but depends on your current flight hours. 141 private and instrument are both 35 (70 total). And the commerical is 120, so if you did everything at minimums you could get the commerical in 190. But I see guys come in all the time and think that it is 190 total for the commerical no matter what their previous training has been, and that is false. It is an additional 120 hours no matter what. So if you had 200 hours, you would be at 320 when you finish the course. So depending on the pilot, 61 can be nice.
I say this because I work for a 141 school, but I did all my ratings part 61. Either one works, and remember you can get 50 hours FTD for the 61 commerical, so you only need 200 flight hours.
Callador
New Member
Both courses are too short for nasty IFR. 141 is only 5 hours shorter for instrument training. The only nice thing about 61 is that you have more PIC confidence since you are most likely doing solo x/c's to get the 50 hrs (but a lot of times that is VMC).
I always tell my strudents that just pass the instrument to go out on days that have 2 to 3000ft cig and file IFR for some X/C's. That way they can go through some IFR but worst case they can get out of it and cancel if needed. Even though someone has the rating, it is sort of a license to learn. And even when you are good at flying instruments, that doesn't prepare you for bad weather situation like icing and thunderstorms. Lots to learn
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
If you are talking about not having the 50 hours of x-country I would think doing the IFR first would be best. 40+ hours with an instructor would help you build confidence in many areas along with the added safety of an IFR rating on the X-countries in case they get into something unforcast.