American Eagle Changes AIP - Commitment to 170 aircraft

J Cole

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This just in from an Eaglewire:

If i understand this correctly, it is not a commitment to 170 Embraer E-175s, but is a commitment to keep at least 170 aircraft on property. It will be interesting to see the final language and analysis on this.

American Eagle Secures a Greatly Enhanced Fleet Commitment Should the Agreement in Principle Be Ratified

Dear Team,


On Dec. 9, 2013, the day the merger closed and American Airlines Group (AAG) was formed, I committed to keeping our employees informed and up to date on the latest news and developments impacting our company. I recognize there have been many changes and announcements made since then and I appreciate the hard work and focus you have continued to show our passengers and customers while we work to build a better airline for all of us at American Eagle Airlines and in the future – Envoy.


Following the announcement that we had reached an agreement in principle (AIP) with our pilots represented by the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), our Vice President – Flight Operations, Jim Winkley and I have received literally hundreds of messages and calls from you. Many have been quite supportive of the AIP, others have not. We became well aware that the lack of a larger fleet commitment beyond the 60 firm orders for the Embraer 175s (E175s) provided by the AIP was a major concern for many of you – and not just our pilots. People seemed to understand the AIP would give us a competitive cost structure and encourage AAG to place more than the 60 aircraft with us, but they also wanted more clarity and certainty that our fleet would not be limited to only 60 aircraft.


We have listened to your concerns and after talking to AAG senior management, I am pleased to announce that our pilots, through ALPA, will receive a written commitment that we will have at least 170 aircraft for the duration of the new contract once it is ratified. Please know, this does not mean our fleet will be limited to 170 aircraft – we are hoping to have many more than that – but this commitment responds to the concerns voiced by our pilots and others. We are now providing a guarantee that with the new contract, our fleet will not have fewer than 170 aircraft for the next 10 years.


To be clear, the AIP now includes the following protections for our pilots:

1. Unprecedented flow through to a mainline partner. No other regional airline will have pilots moving from First Officer to Captain and then to the mainline as quickly as Envoy.

2. A minimum fleet commitment of 170 aircraft. To my understanding, the only other regional airline with a fleet commitment is Endeavor, and that is for only 81 aircraft.

3. Preservation of existing “no furlough” protections.


With the AIP, no other regional airline will be able to offer their pilots the kind of job protection and upward mobility to a mainline airline as Envoy.


This is in keeping with my overall goals for Envoy, which are quite simple: Make sure we are the safest airline possible; ensure our passengers have an excellent experience flying with us every time they board our planes; and, help secure a strong, stable future for our more than 14,000 employees.


As always, thank you for all that you do for our company and our passengers.


Regards,


Pedro
 
There's an interesting negotiating tactic I've learned in the military, basically when the other side makes you an offer, just make quick eye contact, look away, sip your coffee/water/whatever. Then, stay quiet for an awkward minute or two, the other person often bids themselves up. AFAIK there was no time limit on Envoy's offer for concessions, I'd say just wait management out, which is what I think the union did here...
 
Pedro!!

Good luck Eagle pilots. Love it when Company "management" speak about pilot contracts and how they will provide stability for the whole company, protecting all labor groups.

Certainly not too many myths in the notion that as a pilot group goes, so too goes the financial success of the company - largely impacting the lives of other employee groups.

This moderate truth goes both ways - positive and negative. Especially considering how most other labor groups in the regional segment lack sufficient leverage to protect themselves.

Oy...positive thing though is the promise of a fleet size of 170 aircraft over the next ten years. Step right on up and approve this thing. Cause management has made a promise and we know they keep their promises.
 
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I think I speak for a fairly large group of Eagle pilots in saying, "we do not negotiate with terrorists." Threats are a clear violation of rule 32, and should we make threats, we would be terminated. Management apparently is not held to the same standard, they overplayed that first move, and are now attempting to sweeten the deal. Many pilots here are now unwilling to negotiate....And rightfully so, we have been threatened and lied to (and they continue to offer hazy language which I'm sure will be manipulated should this pass.)

An airplane is a tool that I use to perform my job function, a necessary tool with which to run an airline. It is not my job to provide management with the means to purchase aircraft for their airline. 60 airplanes? 170 airplanes? 2 airplanes? Don't care. I can only fly one at a time.
 
Me too...although I'm pretty sure there will be a spirited response at some point.

Of course! I'm working. :)

This 'offer' is pure crap that only proves that AAG has a fleet plan in place and is just trying to make us pay for it.

NO CONCESSIONS!
NO WAVERING!
 
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Having power or authority over future hires does not give us the right or reason to sell them out- even to allegedly save our own skins.


Even then- any ground we think we gain today by giving up something today will be ground we *all* lose tomorrow.

It is time to stop eating our own and cutting our own throats in the process.

NO CONCESSIONS!
NO WAVERING!
 
To you Eagle guys/gals, when I was at Comair management played this exact game. We took the freeze and were told of min XXX amount of airplanes would stay on property. Look at the company today. Nothing could go wrong:smoke:
That really sucked! I was working the ramp down at MCO at that time. The flew that nice ERJ-170 to every base and the pilots jumped on that pay freeze. Comair president resigns, ERJ-170's go to Republic, Freedom started their takeover of MCO, Ch.11 and then the downward spiral afterwards!
 
H46Bubba said:
That really sucked! I was working the ramp down at MCO at that time. The flew that nice ERJ-170 to every base and the pilots jumped on that pay freeze. Comair president resigns, ERJ-170's go to Republic, Freedom started their takeover of MCO, Ch.11 and then the downward spiral afterwards!

Dumbass pilots again.

Gullible bunch, the whole lot of them.
 
Perfect explanation state of the regional industry:



That's why we can't let them pit us against each other. We all vote 'no' to concessions so nobody else has to be the 'tryout' for somebody else.

You can't say you support the cause if your actions don't back it.

"It's not who I am underneath. It's what I *do* that defines me."

 
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