Am I out of a job?

[Rodger Wilco]

Can anyone help me read this Look at page two. From what I understand after trying to read all this leagalese is that after AUGUST 1, 2013 I will need to adhere to the new rules for ATP. This means 50 hours in multi, 30 hours of "approved ground", and 10 hours of level D sim.

This is just to be eligible to take the ATP exam. Am I reading this right?

I can not put any more money into being a pilot! This is insane! I am at 1250TT and 140ME, I am studying for the ATP but there is no way I can fly 250 hours and pass the test in the next two weeks.


Here is the LINK:
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/2120-aj67.pdf

I am calling Oklahoma in the morning,

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Are you at an airline, joe?

 

[Ruben Garay]

Can anyone help me read this Look at page two. From what I understand after trying to read all this leagalese is that after AUGUST 1, 2013 I will need to adhere to the new rules for ATP. This means 50 hours in multi, 30 hours of "approved ground", and 10 hours of level D sim.

This is just to be eligible to take the ATP exam. Am I reading this right?

I can not put any more money into being a pilot! This is insane! I am at 1250TT and 140ME, I am studying for the ATP but there is no way I can fly 250 hours and pass the test in the next two weeks.


Here is the LINK:
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/2120-aj67.pdf

I am calling Oklahoma in the morning,

I don't think the new 30 hours of ground and 10 hours of level D sim will be introduced until July 2014 so if you can get your ATP mins before then, you're good. I think they're still working on the syllabus for that. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to take the written. Can you not instruct? You should be able to do 250 hours easy in 3-4 months.

 

[z987k]

Are you at an airline, joe?

This. We need deets man!

 

[broncoav8r]

..., and 10 hours of level D sim.

Its a Level C or higher Motion sim, OR a Level 4 or higher fixed FTD. If you don't get it through 121 Initial, I think you will see most doing it through a fixed FTD.

That being said, its still not cheap

 

[thwhite2000]

I was scrambling to finish my ATP this month until this came out. As long as your written is complete and current through July 2014, you're ok if you do an ATP on your own. Even then, I suppose the regionals are inevitably going to work the CTP into initial. There's no way they're going to meet there staffing demands over the coming years without doing so.

 

[hcaeborev]

Just go take the test, you don't need ATP mins to take the written.

Also not to be an ATP(the school) fanboy, but, I went there without studying AT ALL for the ATP written and was out in 5 hours with a high 90s score.

 

[Maurus]

I can't help but think that this stuff has been known for quite a while. If you are at an airline you should have known about the ATP rule for a couple years now. The FAA regs only made it easier.

I personally think this was a troll post.

 

[Rodger Wilco]

Sorry guys, I did not post enough information and ask specific enough questions.

No, I am not at an airline, yes I am instructing.

There is talk that the nature of the written exam will change and that you will not even be eligible to take the ATP written without previously attending the 30 hours of ground and the 10 sim. This all starts Aug. 1 2013.... If that is true I will not even be able to take the written until it is all sorted out.

(I will not be able to go to any regional's training program without the written + I cannot make 6-10K for additional training flight instructing= title: Am I out of a job?)

I can not find anywhere in the document that actually says that, but then again I cant understand a lot of what I am reading in there, thus I asked for help.

 

[TallFlyer]

I'm not fully up on those changes, but if the requirements for the written are changing next month you could very quickly study for the written and take it before then. It will then be valid for two years.

 

[Rodger Wilco]

I don't think the new 30 hours of ground and 10 hours of level D sim will be introduced until July 2014 so if you can get your ATP mins before then, you're good. I think they're still working on the syllabus for that. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to take the written. Can you not instruct? You should be able to do 250 hours easy in 3-4 months.

Do you think that the Regionals will provide this extra training at IOE? I guess that they will have to seeing as nobody I know can afford it?

 

[Rodger Wilco]

I can't help but think that this stuff has been known for quite a while. If you are at an airline you should have known about the ATP rule for a couple years now. The FAA regs only made it easier.

I personally think this was a troll post.

Not a troll post. It is just not specific enough. Sorry. New title: ATP Written requirements change after AUG 1?

You are right, I have known about this for a long time, what surprised me is that a number of people are telling me that if I do not take the written before August 1st 2013 that I will not be able to take it until the feds figure out the new CTP requirements. Which would cost a lot of time and money.

The problem is that I cannot find anywhere in the document that says that. But a number of separate sources are telling me it is true.

I could rush the written and pass. Or I could take my time and get a good score.

 

[tiredcfi]

A pass is a pass. Just get it over with!

 

[Maurus]

Not a troll post. It is just not specific enough. Sorry. New title: ATP Written requirements change after AUG 1?

You are right, I have known about this for a long time, what surprised me is that a number of people are telling me that if I do not take the written before August 1st 2013 that I will not be able to take it until the feds figure out the new CTP requirements. Which would cost a lot of time and money.

The problem is that I cannot find anywhere in the document that says that. But a number of separate sources are telling me it is true.

I could rush the written and pass. Or I could take my time and get a good score.

No worries I just expect some sort of troll posts by the end of July.

Anyway just grab Sheppard air and get it done. No one will really care about your score as long as it is above 70%.

 

[z987k]

Not a troll post. It is just not specific enough. Sorry. New title: ATP Written requirements change after AUG 1?

You are right, I have known about this for a long time, what surprised me is that a number of people are telling me that if I do not take the written before August 1st 2013 that I will not be able to take it until the feds figure out the new CTP requirements. Which would cost a lot of time and money.

The problem is that I cannot find anywhere in the document that says that. But a number of separate sources are telling me it is true.

I could rush the written and pass. Or I could take my time and get a good score.

Order sheppard air today, study it for.... 5 hours or so tomorrow and take the test Wednesday. Problem solved regardless of facts.

 

[Apophis]

Can anyone help me read this Look at page two. From what I understand after trying to read all this leagalese is that after AUGUST 1, 2013 I will need to adhere to the new rules for ATP. This means 50 hours in multi, 30 hours of "approved ground", and 10 hours of level D sim.

This is just to be eligible to take the ATP exam. Am I reading this right?

I can not put any more money into being a pilot! This is insane! I am at 1250TT and 140ME, I am studying for the ATP but there is no way I can fly 250 hours and pass the test in the next two weeks.


Here is the LINK:
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/2120-aj67.pdf

I am calling Oklahoma in the morning,

Do you have 500X/C? Why don't you just go fly for a 135 carrier like Ameriflight or Airnet for awhile and then move on to the airlines when you exceed their minimums?

 

[bronco21016]

I studied Sheppard Air for a day and a half and got a 95%. Just go knock it out real quick and you'll be fine!

 

[Rodger Wilco]

Ok guys I think I figured it out, I think. Here is the text that has everyone freaking out:

"In light of the importance of the areas covered in the proposed training course, the FAA would also revise the current ATP knowledge test specifically for applicants who are seeking an ATP certificate with an airplane category multiengine class rating or type rating. To facilitate the transition to the proposed training requirement, those applicants who have not successfully completed the knowledge test prior to August 1, 2013, would be required to complete the training course before applying for the knowledge test. For applicants who pass the knowledge test before that date, the test results would be valid until July 31, 2015. Pilots failing to pass the practical test prior to July 31, 2015, would be required to complete the new training course and retake the knowledge test before applying to take the practical test. The FAA is also proposing that, for those applicants who pass the knowledge test after completing the ATP certification training program, the test results will expire 60 calendar months after the knowledge test was successfully completed"

it came from here:
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/2120-AJ67NPRM.pdf

Here is the text from the FINAL RULE

"Requirements:
(2) Prior to taking the ATP knowledge test successfully complete an ATP CTP;2 "
2 This requirement takes effect after July 31, 2014.

Which came from here: [page 9]
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/2120-aj67.pdf

Therefore, what I understand is that I was being mislead by people quoting the Proposed Rule and not the Final Rule. It looks like I will still need to do the CTP ground and sim, but not before I can take the Knowledge exam.

Everyone thinks that the regionals will adopt the CTP training into their IOE or that it will just be another line on the ever increasing list of requirements to apply?

 

[Rodger Wilco]

Do you have 500X/C? Why don't you just go fly for a 135 carrier like Ameriflight or Airnet for awhile and then move on to the airlines when you exceed their minimums?

I am one of the lucky ones. I have 1250 TT and 496 XC. That is all honest xc time too, not pencil whipped. I have been working at a large flight school that always schedules you with one plane, two students, and 5 hours of fuel. There is no reason not to go do a landing 51 nm away!

 

[Apophis]

I am one of the lucky ones. I have 1250 TT and 496 XC. That is all honest xc time too, not pencil whipped. I have been working at a large flight school that always schedules you with one plane, two students, and 5 hours of fuel. There is no reason not to go do a landing 51 nm away!

Ah that's good. Worst case you could still do 135 for awhile.