Alright, who's too busy for the traffic pattern?

Soku39

Soku39

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Well it's come down to this, a rant on JC. I am so sick and tired of being in the pattern and having people do whatever they want to get their bird down FIRST. No one wins if 2 planes hit, so stop the RH traffic in a LH pattern, joining on base, 6 mile finals with 3 planes in the pattern, descending on top of people because you didn't manage your descent etc etc, If there are other planes in the pattern DO NOT fly the opposite of direction of the pattern just so you can cut someone else off on final, and nearly run them over. Your life in your Cheyenne or Baron is not more important than the lives of those in Cessnas practicing landings, and I don't care how long you've been doing this, or how good you think you are, you scare everyone else... Please take the extra 3 minutes to join the pattern correctly and follow the AIM, seriously what is so freakin hard about that... /rant
 
CounterPoint: People in their Barons, Cheyennes and Caravans have a hard time going that slow. You won't do 140 on final and I'm not going to do 65.
 
BajtheJino said:
CounterPoint: People in their Barons, Cheyennes and Caravans have a hard time going that slow. You won't do 140 on final and I'm not going to do 65.
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Could the people in the faster aircraft ask the slower aircraft to adjust their departure leg to squeeze the faster aircraft into the pattern?

I know that when I was training sometimes I would be the only aircraft in the pattern till the DC-6 would arrive. Sometimes they would ask me to extend my departure leg so they could squeeze in. Or if we were coming in to the pattern at the same time they would ask if I could do a 360 so they could get in. I would be more than happy to oblige on both accounts.
 
Yeah, I know. Thats how I do it. I was just being a jerk. I'm so tired of people expecting me to enter on the 45 and crap like that.
I do everything I can to adjust and communicate with other traffic so I can get my straight in at 160 knots.
 
BajtheJino said:
Yeah, I know. Thats how I do it. I was just being a jerk. I'm so tired of people expecting me to enter on the 45 and crap like that.
I do everything I can to adjust and communicate with other traffic so I can get my straight in at 160 knots.
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Nothing wrong with going straight in. Chances are, if you're talking, listening and looking you'll be able to sequence things up juuuuuuuuust fine.

There's no need to over fly the field to enter the downwind when you're on a 7 mile final doing 170 knots and there's a 152 on upwind doing 55 knots.

-mini
 
First, welcome to JC!

Which field are you at? If you are talking about AKR I fully understand. The issue is that most straight ins are flights that are talking to CAK Approach and most likely on a flight plan. Most of the time, even in great weather, will do a straight in. Alot of the time if single pilot ops they are only about 1 mile or so out before switching to frequency. Usually the controller will let you know the number of birds in the pattern and their approx location.

Just wait, I hear we are getting Indian students at the field shortly. That should add to the excitement!

Also, look for a PM.
 
It all depends. If there's no traffic, I'll do a straight in. But I'm not going to cut someone off if it's a busy weekend VFR day. That's just not right.

We manage to get all sorts of traffic, ranging from 152s to biz jets, in and out of our field. And it's all because people pay attention and don't act like bungholes.
 
It's probably more dangerous for a larger aircraft to do a pattern than do a straight in, ESPECIALLY with lots of people in the pattern.
 
BajtheJino said:
Yeah, I know. Thats how I do it. I was just being a jerk. I'm so tired of people expecting me to enter on the 45 and crap like that.
I do everything I can to adjust and communicate with other traffic so I can get my straight in at 160 knots.
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That is one, thing, but for someone to say they are 10 N, and and then a couple minutes later you get a call that this faster plane is on a right base, whiiiiile someone else is on a LH base about to turn final is a prime time to put some planes together. I don't understand it! Most of the time there is no attempt at communication, thats my issue, I really do not mind flying slow so that transients can come in, but could we at least work it out so we can do it safely?
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
First, welcome to JC!

Which field are you at? If you are talking about AKR I fully understand. The issue is that most straight ins are flights that are talking to CAK Approach and most likely on a flight plan. Most of the time, even in great weather, will do a straight in. Alot of the time if single pilot ops they are only about 1 mile or so out before switching to frequency. Usually the controller will let you know the number of birds in the pattern and their approx location.

Just wait, I hear we are getting Indian students at the field shortly. That should add to the excitement!

Also, look for a PM.
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Oh man, we could have a party at AKR!

Soku39 said:
That is one, thing, but for someone to say they are 10 N, and and then a couple minutes later you get a call that this faster plane is on a right base, whiiiiile someone else is on a LH base about to turn final is a prime time to put some planes together. I don't understand it! Most of the time there is no attempt at communication, thats my issue, I really do not mind flying slow so that transients can come in, but could we at least work it out so we can do it safely?
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I bet you have had a run in with the Cheyenne III that keeps doing straight-ins without making radio calls and barreling over people in the pattern. When I do my approaches into AKR I only go straight-in if there is no one on downwind/base that could cause problems. The only problem is that I have to enter the traffic pattern on the upwind side which is normal at AKR but not supposed to be used according to the FAA. Heck I have had KSU students fly through the upwind leg of AKR on me twice coming within 200ft of me. I made my radio calls of where I was at about ten miles out and so forth.
 
Maurus said:
Oh man, we could have a party at AKR!
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We should, I will be there Tue/Wed next week for sure. We should also get Andy to come over.

The only problem is that I have to enter the traffic pattern on the upwind side which is normal at AKR but not supposed to be used according to the FAA.
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:confused::confused::confused:

Heck I have had KSU students fly through the upwind leg of AKR on me twice coming within 200ft of me. I made my radio calls of where I was at about ten miles out and so forth.
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Yea, those Kent state kids coming to my airport....OOPSSSSSSS, your from Kent aren't you Soku?? ;) That is not the flight school to be worried about! :panic::panic:
 
Chuck Norris doesn't fly a traffic pattern. The traffic pattern is roundhoused kicked into submission, and Chuck Norris does a straight in every time.



(How's that one? I just made it up. . .okay - it sucks huh? Whatever).
 
Chuck Norris doesn't fly a traffic pattern. The traffic pattern is roundhoused kicked into submission, and Chuck Norris does a straight in every time.
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Chuck Norris's traffic pattern consists of flying over the field at 10,000', inducing a high speed spin, and making a recovery that is also the flare to touchdown.
 
How 'bout the frac gal that announces "is on downwind/ base" etc with no mention of the direction while on right traffic. I was not impressed. I have a lot less issues with the straight ins than I do right pattern. Had a guy once that "did not want to waste gas circling around the place" to justify doing a right pattern.
 
I do a straight in if theres no one in the pattern. But other then that I'll fly the correct pattern with calls at every turn at least. I had one fast plane announce a 10 mile straight in to the airport and I was on downwind. Being the nice guy that I am I extended my downwind so he could get in. I'm waiting for a "XXX has cleared the active" to make my turn to base. I give up eventually and ask him where he is. "Oh Im already on the ground" Nice radio work jerk. 2 calls all the way in from 10 out with I think 3 others in the pattern. sheesh.:banghead:
 
gator4798 said:
I do a straight in if theres no one in the pattern. But other then that I'll fly the correct pattern with calls at every turn at least. I had one fast plane announce a 10 mile straight in to the airport and I was on downwind. Being the nice guy that I am I extended my downwind so he could get in. I'm waiting for a "XXX has cleared the active" to make my turn to base. I give up eventually and ask him where he is. "Oh Im already on the ground" Nice radio work jerk. 2 calls all the way in from 10 out with I think 3 others in the pattern. sheesh.:banghead:
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Wow...that's a shweet uncontrolled airport you fly at. It even has an "active" runway....:banghead::banghead:

-mini
 
minitour said:
Wow...that's a shweet uncontrolled airport you fly at. It even has an "active" runway....:banghead::banghead:

-mini
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What's wrong with this? Every airport, whether it's controlled or not, has an active runway. It's the one people are taking off and landing on.

It may not be textbook form, but then, I don't do things like say "fife" for five or "tree" for three. Nor do I say things like "tree thousand fife hundred" when saying "thirty-five hundred" gets the message across just fine and is quicker.
 
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