Alpine Air having some problems......

stuckingfk

stuckingfk

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Wonder what the problem is....

I know from friends that work there that they don't get paid if the cargo isn't delivered (1st one) and that is what this looks like. Trying to get in when the conditions are sh*t.

The second sucks all around with CFIT. You think you aren't in trouble when you really are. I feel bad for the pilots and families. Looks like it could have been easily prevented.
 
Well obviously the problem is he tried to land on the roof of a building:

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Examination of the roof of a gun club building, located about 1.65 miles from the threshold of runway 10L and 607 feet left of centerline, revealed two tire marks spaced about 14 feet apart, a distance corresponding to the main gear width of a Beech 99A. Additionally, landing gear drag brace pieces identified as coming from a Beech 99A were found 80 yards from the building.

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No pay for the flight if wx doesn't permit landing? Anti-safety policies like that are an abomination to this industry. Scratch Alpine from the list of places I want to work!
 
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Well obviously the problem is he tried to land on the roof of a building:

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Examination of the roof of a gun club building, located about 1.65 miles from the threshold of runway 10L and 607 feet left of centerline, revealed two tire marks spaced about 14 feet apart, a distance corresponding to the main gear width of a Beech 99A. Additionally, landing gear drag brace pieces identified as coming from a Beech 99A were found 80 yards from the building.

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No pay for the flight if wx doesn't permit landing? Anti-safety policies like that are an abomination to this industry. Scratch Alpine from the list of places I want to work!

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My buddy says some not so good things about them
-VFR captains (less than 1200 tt) flying IFR all the time.
-Pilots descending below minimums when the apt environment isn't in sight

I wouldn't want to work for a company either if I didn't get paid due to weather.
 
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Well obviously the problem is he tried to land on the roof of a building:

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Examination of the roof of a gun club building, located about 1.65 miles from the threshold of runway 10L and 607 feet left of centerline, revealed two tire marks spaced about 14 feet apart, a distance corresponding to the main gear width of a Beech 99A. Additionally, landing gear drag brace pieces identified as coming from a Beech 99A were found 80 yards from the building.

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No pay for the flight if wx doesn't permit landing? Anti-safety policies like that are an abomination to this industry. Scratch Alpine from the list of places I want to work!

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Mesa was doing the same exact thing.....don't know if they still are. I personally watched (heard...couldn't see it due to the WX, but was listening to them) as a Mesa 1900C was trying to get into FLG in LIFR in the early 90s. Shot non-precision after non-precision (ILS was down) before diverting. Found out later what Mesa's policy was after I related the story at school the next week.

Still wanna work there?
 
The accident where two pilots died, company workers think the private pilot was flying and during the departure procedure, they think he didn't have the correct VOR tuned in so the needle was centered. He didn't recognize/see the failure flag and thought he was on course due the centered up needle. Then came the mountain......
 
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Mesa was doing the same exact thing.....don't know if they still are. I personally watched (heard...couldn't see it due to the WX, but was listening to them) as a Mesa 1900C was trying to get into FLG in LIFR in the early 90s. Shot non-precision after non-precision (ILS was down) before diverting. Found out later what Mesa's policy was after I related the story at school the next week.

Still wanna work there?

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This works both way Mike. Yes it's true that under the new contract AirMidwest does not pay for cancelled flights, but also, you get paid EXTRA for diversions. If you divert, you get actual time instead of segment.

So in the case you stated, the pilots should have diverted. Also it's been almost 10 years since any C models were at Mesa - last one was sold to Gulfstream in 1997.
 
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Mesa was doing the same exact thing.....don't know if they still are. I personally watched (heard...couldn't see it due to the WX, but was listening to them) as a Mesa 1900C was trying to get into FLG in LIFR in the early 90s. Shot non-precision after non-precision (ILS was down) before diverting. Found out later what Mesa's policy was after I related the story at school the next week.

Still wanna work there?

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This works both way Mike. Yes it's true that under the new contract AirMidwest does not pay for cancelled flights, but also, you get paid EXTRA for diversions. If you divert, you get actual time instead of segment.

So in the case you stated, the pilots should have diverted. Also it's been almost 10 years since any C models were at Mesa - last one was sold to Gulfstream in 1997.

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This was circa 1990 when the C model 1900s and even the 208 Caravan, were one of the backbones of the fleet.
 
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Mesa was doing the same exact thing.....don't know if they still are. I personally watched (heard...couldn't see it due to the WX, but was listening to them) as a Mesa 1900C was trying to get into FLG in LIFR in the early 90s. Shot non-precision after non-precision (ILS was down) before diverting. Found out later what Mesa's policy was after I related the story at school the next week.

Still wanna work there?

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This works both ways Mike. Yes it's true that under the new contract AirMidwest does not pay for cancelled flights, but also, you get paid EXTRA for diversions. If you divert, you get actual time instead of segment.

So in the case you stated, the pilots should have diverted. Also it's been almost 10 years since any C models were at Mesa - last one was sold to Gulfstream in 1997.

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This was circa 1990 when the C model 1900s and even the 208 Caravan, were one of the backbones of the fleet.

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Ancient History. The Risley Era. Preceding JO by 10 years.

Never saw any Caravans in the training records either. You sure about that? They had Catpass 200s, but never a Caravan as far as I can tell.
 
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Mesa was doing the same exact thing.....don't know if they still are. I personally watched (heard...couldn't see it due to the WX, but was listening to them) as a Mesa 1900C was trying to get into FLG in LIFR in the early 90s. Shot non-precision after non-precision (ILS was down) before diverting. Found out later what Mesa's policy was after I related the story at school the next week.

Still wanna work there?

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This works both ways Mike. Yes it's true that under the new contract AirMidwest does not pay for cancelled flights, but also, you get paid EXTRA for diversions. If you divert, you get actual time instead of segment.

So in the case you stated, the pilots should have diverted. Also it's been almost 10 years since any C models were at Mesa - last one was sold to Gulfstream in 1997.

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This was circa 1990 when the C model 1900s and even the 208 Caravan, were one of the backbones of the fleet.

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Ancient History. The Risley Era. Preceding JO by 10 years.

Never saw any Caravans in the training records either. You sure about that? They had Catpass 200s, but never a Caravan as far as I can tell.

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Yup, Ask Doug; he remembers them just like me. A 208B (a few different N-numbers) in beige with green stripes (no baggage pod) and the title of Mesa Airlines in green was the regular service between PHX and PRC, and a couple of other destinations. I remember the Catpass too. The Caravan of Mesa replaced the 402s of Golden Pacific on the AZ routes.....circa 1987/88.
 
Mesa had certainly had Caravans! I still distinctly remember the riddle flight training manager that got his single-engine ATP to look "good".

Didn't they also have Beech 1300's (early variant of the 1900/KA-200) for a short period of time too Mike? I remember when the 1900's first arrived on scene, but wasn't there something else circa 89?
 
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