Alaska Nonrev
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BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
They are YEAR OF HIRE and then CHECK IN TIME. Plus they have this ridiculous commuter city priority thing that gives a higher standby priority to anybody traveling between their domicile and their home of record, regardless of if they are going to/from work or not.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Everyone’s gotta carve out their little scam. It’s tradition.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
I get that it’s different but since we don’t have reservable JS it seems kind of douchey to call our commuter priority “ridiculous”. Also, folks are not supposed to be using D8Y priority that way and if they are that seems like one of the things that is just asking for trouble. Also can’t say that I’ve heard of people doing it, but I guess it wouldn’t surprise me that there are folks out there who would put something good at risk just to help themselves out.
BTW I’ve told everyone I talk to that we need to ask for y’all’s commuter clause.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
If you aren’t mainline, you will be lower priority than those who are, even if senior DoH. Like UAL non rev with DoH of 1967 will never be higher priority than AS employee with a 2024 DoH. Is this not the case everywhere? Or do i misunderstand our priority system and those of others?
To Roger’s point, I am eligible to list as a commuter, but dont when I am not actually using it to commute to work (which is nearly never). I wouldn’t think of abusing that. Lowest possible reason being that I’m sure the company audits this. But even if they weren’t, that is the last reason I wouldn’t play that game.
Also, buckle up, it’s gonna be a wild ride (jk)
To Roger’s point, I am eligible to list as a commuter, but dont when I am not actually using it to commute to work (which is nearly never). I wouldn’t think of abusing that. Lowest possible reason being that I’m sure the company audits this. But even if they weren’t, that is the last reason I wouldn’t play that game.
Also, buckle up, it’s gonna be a wild ride (jk)
Roger Roger
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Yeah, that just seems like one of those things like in flight internet use, in that sure you can probably get away with it, but why on earth would you give the company that to hold over your head?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
The saltiness. You both live in base. So do I. But I support D8Y. How aggrieved you must feel at the literally one bone commuters get thrown their way.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
We are a very commuter heavy airline. Don’t know how HAL stacks up in comparison. But you might enjoy D8Y if you were to say, want to bid 787 (SEA) for whatever reason. It would benefit you just like the dozens of GEG commuters who will also probably bid that immediately.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
The problem with D8Y, specific to Hawaii, is that we have a metric ton of commuters from pretty much every west coast city. Couple that with very, very limited seats, because Hawaii flights tend to have pretty high load factors (and when they don't, airlines cut the flights pretty quickly), it can become very difficult, very quickly to get a standby seat, especially if you have a ton of higher priority traffic even though they are junior to you. Add in the fact that if you want to go on vacation ever, as a road trip isn't really a possibility, most of our employees end up non reving to the mainland fairly often. Finally, (other than when some other airline is capacity dumping and pushing down fares like Southwest did for a bit), airfare to Hawaii is normally on the pricier side, so it isn't feasible for a family of 4 to just buy confirmed seats, especially for the lower paying airline jobs like the ramp or gate agents.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
There’s more HAL pilots in WA state than the big Island. So I can see this being quite the sticking point.
Roger Roger
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Ok, but at this point this is still a hypothetical, future problem right? Do any of us have any idea how close any future commuter clause will be to the HAL or the AS commuter clause, or how it would play out in reality? Is it really that uncommon industry wide for commuting pilots to have higher priority than leisure travel? It just kind of seems like you’re getting a little spooled up over something that may or may not be a real issue. Anyway, if I read it and remember it correctly, the way you described the HAL commuter policy would be far preferable for my commute anyway.
We’re clogging up the OPs thread and this should probably go back to the real merger thread.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
I’m also a little curious if you have a source for the allegation that commuter priority is widely abused as that’s a pretty serious allegation.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Dude, you’re a mainline widebody Captain. No more family nonrev, buy confirmed tickets. You aren’t Dennys anymore, it’s okay to step up to Olive Garden.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Dude, you’re a mainline widebody Captain. No more family nonrev, buy confirmed tickets. You aren’t Dennys anymore, it’s okay to step up to Olive Garden.
If you'd actually read what I wrote, you'd see that I was specifically concerned about our lower paid employees like agents and rampers. Ohana actually kind of means something over here.
Probably true. Same for the Bay Area, and probably LAX.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
Totally get that, and I hear ya. But I would ask the question, is it normal anywhere to have offline non-revs compete via seniority with own-metal? Or are you just talking HAL & AS, now that we are one, and D8Y overriding seniority at either?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Just Alaska/Hawaiian. Once we are ONELIST! (@jtrain609) it will apply to everyone unless both ALPA and AFA both blow it up in the JCBA.