Airports want To Opt Out of TSA

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WASHINGTON – About one-quarter of the nation's commercial airports no longer want government employees screening passengers and baggage, preferring private companies working under federal supervision, a congressman said Thursday.
Airport directors are upset with the Transportation Security Administration's inability to adjust staffing to meet demand, which results in long waits at some airports, said Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., chairman of the House aviation subcommittee.

He said he had met with more than a dozen airport directors from around the country.

Some large airports, such as those in Orlando, Fla., and Los Angeles, have only 80 percent of the screeners they need, while some small airports have far too many.

"It appears it's almost impossible for the TSA to micromanage staff and deal with schedule changes and fluctuations in traffic at all 429 [commercial] airports," Mica said.

Congress created the TSA after the Sept. 11 attacks and ordered it to replace the privately employed screeners with a better-paid, better-trained federal work force. But lawmakers also gave airports the option of returning to private screeners on Nov. 19, three years after President Bush signed the bill into law.

Mica said he expected more than 100 would take that option this fall, Mica said.

Rep. Peter DeFazio of Oregon, the ranking Democrat on the aviation subcommittee, blamed understaffing for the long lines at some airports. The TSA initially believed it needed 59,000 screeners, but Congress set the number of full-time employees at 45,000, he said.

The system could work if the TSA gave its airport security directors more authority to hire and train workers, he said.

"This administration, as in all other things, wants to drive this back to the private sector, and we all remember how absolutely disastrous that was under the old model of minimum wage, high turnover," DeFazio said.

The TSA did not immediately return telephone calls seeking comment.

To gauge how well federal screeners were doing, Congress ordered five commercial airports to use privately employed screeners who are hired, trained, paid and tested to TSA standards. Those airports are in San Francisco; Rochester, N.Y.; Tupelo, Miss.; Jackson, Wyo.; and Kansas City, Mo. A report comparing the performance of both kinds of screeners is due next month.

John Martin, airport director at San Francisco International Airport, said screeners were hired and trained more quickly there than at airports with government screeners.

"Bottom line: we don't have long lines at San Francisco," he said.

Even airports without shortages want private screeners.

John Clark, executive director of the Jacksonville Airport Authority in Florida, said the TSA had 246 screeners and as many as 30 managers, far more than the airport needs. About 2 million people fly in and out of Jacksonville every year.

"We want to opt out," Clark said.



© 2003 Associated Press.
 
Last year when I was in San Francisco the TSA were hell.... Had to wait in line forever!! I will be connecting there next month for an international flight, I'm glad the TSA aren't there to hassle this time!! Good news to me!!!
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Has the TSA caught anyboby (besides old women and infants) during the past 2 1/2 years of service?

I still don't understand why crews have to go through this process.
 
Well, there was the guy with the shoe...Oh wait. He was ON the plane.

TSA at MCO basically sucks. If you're an employee, it's a different tune everyday. Somedays there is an employee line, some days some high-and mighty TSA person yells at you and tells you to get back in line. Some times you can go through the machine for the selectees, and some times they look at you like you've lost your mind. I've been stopped numerous times for having equipment in my bag that is standard ramp equipment that all SWA (and more than likely other airline ramper) have. Most of the people that are there, I wouldn't trust to identify a semi-automatic rifle going through the x-ray machine. Half the time they are busy talking to each other as the bags go through.

I don't see a problem going back to private sector screeners under government supervision. Might even save some tax dollars in the process. We are never going to be 100% safe from anything, and personally I don't feel any safer now with the TSA than before 9/11.
 
most of the tsa employees i see are senior citizens and/or overweight women. if something were to go wrong half of these people couldn't even yell for help. the retired folk have made the leap from grocery baggers and walmart greeters to being in charged of airport security. only in america....
 
Sorry to say this, but most of what has been said above would be correct. Whether or not these things would happen with private screeners also, I would have to say yes. Regardless of what uniform the screeners wear, the fundamental problems will still remain. The problem is that a GREAT MANY screeners now in the position, should have never gotten to it in the first place. Many screeners do not have the customer service or security experience needed for the job, some are working without background checks, and the majority of the rest just have CRAPPY attitudes and don't belong in a position of public trust!

*****SCARY PART*****
I'm a federal screener at ORD, and everything I've mentioned above I speak of from seeing first hand almost every day.
 
Wow, let's give a big hand to the tsa!!!!!!!!!! It's one thing if the public thinks you suck, but if you're employer/client does too.............
 
I used to work for the TSA. I started with the first training class here in DEN. I was promised a certain position and a certain pay. In the end I got neither. From what I saw the same old people that were in charge before remained in charge but put on a new uniform. The new people they did let in were nearly all from the military. There were problems all through out my training. My background check did not clear until the day after I turned in my two week notice.

It is unorganized and a shame!! How can someone with a 4 year college degree not get the job they were promised when an "ex manager of fries at Burger King" ends up getting the position instead.

I have happily moved on and am enjoying my job I left the TSA for but in a word I will describe them as... POOR!!!

One more thing. It took them over 9 months to get my vacation pay to me after I quit. I also know for a fact that many others were in my position and some people who started working there in Sept of 02 were not given their first pay check till well into 2003. The whole TSA is a JOKE!
 
I will also say that when I started in my training class, we had alot of good people, most had degrees and work experience. Out of my training class more than half quit after 2-3 months. By the time I quit after working there for nearly 6 months there were only a handful left.

All those highly qualified and higher paid people they tried to hire left because the pay was not higher.

Many of the old screeners from the private screening companies prior to the TSA launch were paid substantially more than TSA screners. Its tough to go from making $15-20/hr with the private company to making $13 for the government doing the same thing.

Get rid of the TSA and trash that patriot act while we are at it!
 
I know of one person at TSA here in MCO that I used to work with in the Evil Theme Park Industry. Said person was let go from one theme park for seriously poor customer service, and he was fired from a second theme park b/c he was......psychologically unstable. No joke.
 
If you think about it, screening people has to be one of the worst jobs around. I had no intentions of being a "screener" when I signed on with the TSA. The problem from the beginning was that the TSA contracted out all the people that did the hiring process. They made promises that made it look like a good job but in the end everything was already set up and all the jobs they hired for were already taken by people who were working there previously.

Some of the people working there did have problems and I remember toward the end, many of these so called "higher qualified people" were no where near being the right person to screen someone and very few had a real sense of security.
 
Folks better get ready -- the TSA is pushing for (and probably will get) arresting powers for screeners. That's a scary thought!
 
I wish someone would go back to the topic. Do airports have the option of opting out or not?

I think we've established that a federal agency for screening is a bad idea.
 
Yep, I will confirm everything that was written above by Tim as my having either seen it, or had it happen to myself directly. I'll see if I can gather up some stories for tonight, today while I'm at work. You know kind of refresh my memory while I'm there kinda deal.

Yes, the airports do have the option of opting out. The deadline for the TSA testing period is November. Unfortunately, ORD and MDW have just released excerpts in the local newspapers saying that they are going to stay federal.
 
giving airports the option of opting out of tsa is a bad idea. either all airports should have it or none. having half of the airports federal and half private is asinine. there needs to be 1 uniform system throughout the country. my opinion. the military. guardsman/reservists. all armed with machine guns and ready to put a bullet in in someone threatening air safety.
 
I think you are pushing it a little here...

The TSA greatest problem is it is being run by people with a single digit iq, and a double digit salary... (Not you 2 from above, you obviously are among those with triple digit iq, since you are able to criticize the TSA).

The screeners have way too much power (and are on a power trip very often as well) for their job.

The only people they caught were those pilots who now have been terminated for consuming alcohol within the legal time frame. What role exactly are they trying to play here?

Back to the original conversation... I left this morning from KROC, where the privately owned company has been in charge since sept 02. They were trained by the TSA, and belive me, if it wasn't for a different uniform, I wouldn't have seen the difference! Actually yes, I noticed more friendly agents, who care for their job (because they can loose it if they mess up); And that is the way it should be.

I am all for private companies. Let the cops and CIA or FBI carry the guns.
 
I'd like to see privatization come back. The old screeners in KSYR were A LOT nicer and more professional than the TSA group there now. I mostly notice the difference up north. The southern airports seem to be fine, with courteous and professional screeners (for the most part.)
 
I dunna, John. The TSA guy, although they may not be the brightest bulbs in the universe, seem to be a lot more polite and courteous than the buttheads that were in place before. I was ready to smack those people a few times.

Some of the stuff the TSA folks do is annoying, but at least they are polite when they do it.

If we're going to go back to private screeners, we need to have federal standards set, and huge fines if the people who are put in place to provide that service don't meet those standards.
 
After 9/11 the policies for screening were supposed to be the same all across the country. As soon as the TSA was created they sent the managers and higher ups around to show all the private companies how to do it the TSA way. The private screeners were all promised that they could keep their job and would get a higher pay if they could take and pass their screener test. Many of the former screeners could not pass the test because of their inability to speak/write english and the ones that did were put at the bottom of the pay scale of the TSA which in many cases was a huge pay cut.

Months later, the contracted company that did all the hiring for the TSA got going and hired people like me for certain positions. That company later got fired because it turned out that they ended up hiring too many chiefs and not enough as indians so when all the agents arrived at their airports after training they were just put into a position that needed filling no matter what they were originally hired to do. I was hired to be a Lead or Supervisor but since there were no open positions at the time I was placed in a screener position and I tried to be a team player but for me, that only goes so far. I am used to being in leadership positions and will not settle for less.

One problem was, all the people in charge of our "on the job training" were the managers from the old screening force. After a few weeks it was decided that since they had the most TSA lead experience they would keep their positions.

My job went from being a possible good one with good pay, to being the lowest paid and a screener.

In the end the TSA problem boils down to this. They hired a private company to do the hiring. That company did a good job of going through the motions of conducting good interviews and finding the best educated/experienced people and then when that company turned those employees over to the TSA, the TSA gave the power of promotion to a select few who threw everything that HR company did out the window and the TSA folks ended up giving their friends the jobs promised to others who were hired for those positions. I know that is what happened here in Denver and other airports in our region as I saw it for myself!

I don't regret anything in my life but I really wish I could have back my 6 months that I worked for the government!
 
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