Airliner crash in Toronto

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And what's wrong with selling milk in bags? We do that in Brazil too, and in many other latin countries.

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They are supposed to be sold in large drink boxes, like in Europe!
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BTW - we've officially gone WAY off topic...
 
I happened to be flying in the area when this happened. I left Battle Creek, Michigan sometime after 3 pm, and arrived in Montreal after 6 pm. I had to take a pretty good detour to the north of the Toronto area because of the thunderstorm. It was definitely a big boomer, too. I didn't hear about the crash landing until I arrived at CYUL. On the return trip (CYUL to GRR) I heard Toronto terminal (approach control) telling a couple of airliners that Fire Safety wouldn't be available for another 15 / 20 minutes (9 PM, I think).

Glad to hear no fatalities.
 
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Is an A340-2/300 even able to do a go around?

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Pretty much did dozens of 'em in front of my eyes at the Paris Air Show.

BTW, gotta love the media. First it's a big 737. Then it's a 340. Then it's Lufthansa, then Air France. Then it's got 200 pax. Now it's got 300 plus.

Freaking morons. Get your bleeping facts straight first, you idiots.
 
They're falling over themselves for the drama.

One network watched a small fireball and replayed it about six times with a "Oh no, an explosion...... Let's replay that full-screen".

The interesting thing was most of the cable news networks were showing the low angle which looked like the aircraft disintergrated upon impact. But the BBC and another network had a higher angle camera and it was merely sitting there in the embankment.

Of course, at that point, it looked like if anyone got hurt from the aspect of the BBC footage, they'd have gotten hurt during the egress of the jet. Seems like it was basically an overdramatized runway excursion.

Runway excursions happen more often than you imagine, trust me! But rarely do they do anything beyond muddy-up the landing gear or wreck a taxi light.
 
I think that the "big 737" thing is because, if the newspeople don't know what the hell is going on themselves, they'll just make it up. Probably a 737 was the only plane that the guy knew of (I think that most people think that there are 3 types of planes in the world, 737s, learjets, and cessnas.)
 
Don't hate me, but the A340-600 has got to be one of the sexiest modern passenger jets on earth.

It's not quite as nice as a DC-8 stretch with the SNECMA's, but darned close.
 
Was watching the BBC this morning, one passenger said the aircraft was bouncing what felt like about 10 feet high.

Another passenger mentioned that the Flight Attendants went to the doors, checked outside & then opened the doors, activiated the slides & then started to get the passengers out as quickly as possible.

Right now, there are probably about 300 passengers that love Flight Attendants and at the next pre-safety briefing before takeoff, they will be paying attention.....
 
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Regarding the lightning, I heard on the live ATC archive feed the KLM heavy behind the Air France plane got a report of a lightning strike in the approach path about 6 miles ahead just moments prior to the crash. People on another board (not a.net!) heard that as well. What is the seperation between heavy's usually?

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That's typical separation and what that report confirms is that the Air France was shooting an approach through a thunderstorm on the approach end of the runway. Probably the stupidest thing you can do in aviation but, unfortunately, not that rare.

Probably we'll find that there was another airplane in front of Air France who did it successfully, maybe several. That's one of the big sucker plays. If the guy in front made it all right then I'll probably make it all right. It's been a factor in most fatal windshear crashes. I wouldn't be surprised that if Air France had made it, that KLM would have attempted despite the lightning report. Hopefully not, but seen it too many times.

What many pilots don't realize is, you don't get to fly through the same weather as the guy right in front of you. Thunderstorms are too dynamic and changing too quickly for that. Every thunderstorm penetration is it's own decision, no one else can make it for you. Of course any thunderstorm penetration is a violation of good sense and your company ops manual.

The only difference between this runway excursion and the one in LIT that killed so many people is these guys were lucky enough to not hit something that would break the fuselage into pieces. But this was no garden variety excursion. It went into a ravine large enough to consume the airplane (from ground level all you could see was the tail) and produced an intense fire. Total hull loss.

And excellent job by the cabin crew in getting people off. Also looks like first rate job by the ground response teams. Captain gets an F.
 
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one of the sexiest modern passenger jets on earth.

It's not quite as nice as a DC-8 stretch with the SNECMA's....

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And now they are saying that apparently "some doors were not equipped with slides" , and that "some people had to jump from 25ft high".

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Runway excursions happen more often than you imagine, trust me! But rarely do they do anything beyond muddy-up the landing gear or wreck a taxi light.

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As a matter of fact, I heard an Airbus something slid off a runway in India the other day.
 
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Don't hate me, but the A340-600 has got to be one of the sexiest modern passenger jets on earth.

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I agree! It's so graceful it rivals the 747. Now, it doesn't have that distinctive hump like the 747 does, which gives the edge to Boeing, but the 340 was the prettiest airplane in Paris.
 
I was at work when this happened. I never pay attention to the radio but it caught my attention for some reason. They said it was a Air France 1340 so I must have gotten the news late. When they say "went up in flames" and you look at the pictures you start thinking about body bags. Good to see nobody got killed.
 
Doesn't look all that bad from this angle, considering that the fire started after the passengers had already evacuated:

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Doesn't look all that bad from this angle, considering that the fire started after the passengers had already evacuated:

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From this one it does.
 
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