Airliner crash in Toronto

Doubt it was the weather. Pure speculation, but I think it was something mechanical to do with reverse thrust not kicking in. To hear some of the news casters, they went through a puddle, skidded off the road and blew up. My favorite quote has to be "At that time of day, they come in from the west." Has nothing to do with the wind in Canada apparently......
 
Here's a PIREP from a pilot on the ground.

UACN01 CYXU 022032
YZ
UUA /OV CNC3 /TM 2032 /FLUNKN /RM
PILOT ON GROUND REPORTS MICROBURST ACTIVITY WITH CLASSICAL
RAINSHAFT SPREADING AT GROUND, ROTATION IN RAGGED CEILING IN CB'S
AND STRONG GUST FRONT


Not a good combination of wind and rain!

Runway is 9000 feet long, so I'd imagine landing a 340 would be a little tight in heavy rain etc.
 
True but windshear may not be picked up by the weather reporting system. Just from what the "eyewitnesses" (who I realize know NOTHING about airplanes) are saying, it just seems to scream out "microburst" to me... But hey, it's called speculation for that. I'm not saying it's definitive... I'm just saying in my (rather unexperienced) opinion... blah blah blah legal disclaimers...
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Our news station is reporting that 200 or more passengers were on board. They said that they plane broke up into 2 pieces when it skidded off a runway during a fierce t-storm.
 
autobrakes?
antiskid?
ground spoiler fault?
hydroplaning on an ungrooved surface?
heavily contaminated runway?
thrust reverser problem?
 
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That weather doesn't necessarily single-handedly cause an airplane to crash. If weather, as listed above, did, there'd be airliners strewn across the country in flames daily.

Besides, that's not all that bad. Looking at the gust factors, visibility stayed pretty good, winds aren't all that bad... I've landed in far worse than that with visibilities to the point that they're reporting RVRs.

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Exactly-- the way the weather has been the last few days in PHX, you would think no one would land or take-off.
 
An A320 Pilot on Fox News is questioning the judgement of the Pilot's regarding whether or not they should have even landed there.

He said he could barely see the car infront of him while he was driving by the airport, let alone the runway.
 
That guy wasn't an A320 pilot, he was a "private pilot working on his commercial"...

Also he explained tailwinds incorrectly
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Reminds me of when we have weather delays and a passenger gets in your face screaming about how he's talking to his wife and how nice the weather is at home.

"Got a 9,000 foot runway in your backyard, 30 miles from our destination?"
 
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"Got a 9,000 foot runway in your backyard, 30 miles from our destination?"

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If I did, hypothetically, live at Stellar Airpark and extended the runway to 9000, would you drop me off there and save me the commute?
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That guy wasn't an A320 pilot, he was a "private pilot working on his commercial"...

Also he explained tailwinds incorrectly
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I doubt he explained not being able to see the car in front of him incorrectly. lol

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At least they haven't blamed it on terraists yet.

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Wait until the conspiracy nuts pipe in.

It was either space aliens or the CIA.

Or maybe they hit Elvis on the runway...
 
Even if you can't see the car in front of you while you're driving is a moot point when it comes to flight/ground visibility in reference to aviation.

Unless, of course, you're landing a few feet behind a diesel truck or a large column of automobiles.
 
Is an A340-2/300 even able to do a go around? Isn't that thing like the most underpowered airliner out there? I have seen it take off here in Denver and it uses nearly all of that 16,000' runway we have. The big joke on it is that the only reason it is able to gain altitude is due to the curvature of the earth. If the microburst thing is true that would go along with the witness accounts though. They said it seemed to drop and lose alot of altitude before it hit. Then again we do that every time we land right?

Seriously though, they should be able to deal with those winds that were reported, as Doug said, that really isn't that bad for an airliner. We get that in Denver every afternoon.
 
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