Airforce AD and Reserve Pay

comstsa

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I've applied to both the Airforce AD and Reserves for a pilot slot and for the last six months I've been back and forth between which one i'm going to go in when I get selected for both...lol, hey it could happen. Anyway I was just checkin out the new 2010 paycharts and it looks like as an 01 in the Airforce I would be makin around $65000 a year, that is if I figured that up right, looks a little steep to me but I think I figured it up right. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what I could make a year flying for the Reserves. According to the Reserve Pay Chart an O1 makes about $9000/yr, but I know that its going to be more than that for a pilot because a pilot serves alot more than the traditional 1 weekend a month, 2 weeks a year. The unit I interviewed with said I cloud volounteer for more time and had the option of becoming the "bum" of the unit, which, if I understand correctly, is the guy who doesn't have another job and just hangs out at the unit and waits for assignments. Also if anyone has any other gamechangers for me, besides pay, that would push me to one side or the other I would appreciate it, thanks.
 
Just my 2 cents bro, but don't do military if you're in it for the money. You can make a pretty decent living at it, but you'll probably never get rich out of it...unless you're a travel pay scammer (though I hear $90k debt letters aren't out of the question when you get caught) or work in acquisitions. ;)

That being said, AD will provide you with a more stable income. There's a reason it's called "bumming" in the Reserves. It ebbs and flows.
 
...as an 01 in the Airforce I would be makin around $65000 a year, that is if I figured that up right, looks a little steep to me but I think I figured it up right.

I think your math is off, but I am making some assumptions. That sounds really high...if your an O-1 with less than two years, no dependents, and not living in a major city you should probably take that number and half it.
 
...as an 01 in the Airforce I would be makin around $65000 a year, that is if I figured that up right, looks a little steep to me but I think I figured it up right.QUOTE]

I think your math is off, but I am making some assumptions. That sounds really high...if your an O-1 with less than two years, no dependents, and not living in a major city you should probably take that number and half it.

Looks like roughly 3700/month to me O1 basic + housing + BAS+ flight pay

http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/militarypaytables/2009MilitaryPayTables.pdf
 
Right now an 0-1 brings in $2665 a month + BAH +Subsidy+Flight pay+ any other allowance you may incur. The most recent comparison I have heard is that an 0-1 makes, taking into account the tax breaks you are given, about the equivlent of $50,000 in the civillian world.
 
65K. LOL. Try 50 if you live in a decent BAH place. Remember, only base pay is taxed, and you get free medical care while on AD.

Your Reserve pay is not correct. Remember that guard/reserve guys can get paid twice in one day. 4 hours counts as one day of pay for us. So we double up and get paid double. So each one is 1/30 base pay, bah, etc. Not sure if it applies to BAS or flight pay.

Hoop, MikeD, where are ya?
 
65K. LOL. Try 50 if you live in a decent BAH place. Remember, only base pay is taxed, and you get free medical care while on AD.

Your Reserve pay is not correct. Remember that guard/reserve guys can get paid twice in one day. 4 hours counts as one day of pay for us. So we double up and get paid double. So each one is 1/30 base pay, bah, etc. Not sure if it applies to BAS or flight pay.

Hoop, MikeD, where are ya?

What would y'all like to know? You're right on the money, so far......no pun intended. :D
 
http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/militarypaytables/2009MilitaryPayTables.pdf

These are the current military pay tables. You can derive everything you need to know from there.

Raggio knows way more about the reserve pay system than I ever did as a butter bar :pirate:

Now, if you're a "reserve bum", you won't be making as much money as your peers on active duty. The reserve pay system is really designed for someone who works a full-time civilian job and just does the military gig on the side. Yes, you can work two, four-hour periods on a single day in exchange for two pay days (basic pay plus incentive pay, no BAH or subsistance allowance, etc). Without those extra allowances, two additonal flight training periods (AFTPs) or just "double teeps", really work out to be about 1.5 times an active duty day worth of pay. Plus, we're currently limited to 48 AFTPs per fiscal year (of which 24 may be AGTPs ["ground teeps"], and further limited to 16 AFTPs per quarter--8 AGTPs). In additon, reservists are guaranteed 48 UTA periods per year and 15 days of annual [active duty] tour. The annual tour and UTAs are mandatory participation, i.e. "one weekend per month, two weeks per year" you always hear about in recruiting ads. The AFTPs/AGTPs are optional, plus you can (are are usually 'encouraged') always put more into the unit's mission. For example, assuming you're out of UTAs/AFTPs/AT and the unit still needs you to fly a mission, there are other ways to fund you--either through Military Personnel Appropriation (MPA) "active duty money" or Reserve Personnel Appropriation (RPA) "AFRC money". At the end of the day, a reserve "bum" probably winds up with the equivalent of 20-25 days of active duty-equivalent compensation per month, or maybe a little more depending on how motivated they are. My point-the government really get it's "bang for the buck" with reservists, because we're only getting paid when we work. If we come in to work every weekday in a given month, Monday thru Friday, we'd only be paid for those days (not Saturday and Sunday like the active duty while they're on their regular "pass", unless we actually went to work on Saturday and Sunday). The advantage, however, is that reservists have alot more freedom over their lives. They have the freedom to pursue other callings in the private sector, or be wherever they want to be without taking "leave". And of course, reservists can say "no" if they're given a trip they don't want. If you're on active duty, Uncle Sam owns your rear end, period dot. The disadvantage is, of course, if you're a bum, chances are you've put just as much (if not more) into your job as your active duty peers, yet you're only paid essentially by the hour. Some people who wish to make the reserves their full-time occupation opt for the air reserve technician (ART) program; they're doing the same jobs, but they're wearing a full-time civil service hat too.

That's probably more than you wanted to know, but I hope you (or at least FrogFlyer) got something out of it.
 
Thanks for that writeup germb747. I've been Guard for the past 8 years, but the flying Reserves system is a whole different animal.
 
as a married AD O-1 at a UPT base, i bring home 1750 every 2 weeks

And your still in UPT? That's a lot better than what I calculated. Maybe I'm missing something...From what I understand, as a Reservist, I will be payed the same as my AD counterpart during UPT, correct? I'm married as well, so if that's true, I won't be complaining:)
 
And your still in UPT? That's a lot better than what I calculated. Maybe I'm missing something...From what I understand, as a Reservist, I will be payed the same as my AD counterpart during UPT, correct? I'm married as well, so if that's true, I won't be complaining:)

Yes, you will be on active duty orders during UPT and up to a year after you graduate for follow-on training and seasoning/prog tour. You will be treated and paid just like AD.
 
Yes, you will be on active duty orders during UPT and up to a year after you graduate for follow-on training and seasoning/prog tour. You will be treated and paid just like AD.

Except every in-processing brief you'll get.

"In block 14 of your orders, write your dependent status."

me: "uhhhhh, block 14 says the day that this set of orders end..."

"Are you guard/reserve?"

me: "yup."

".......uhhh, come back after lunch!"

me: "seeeee ya!"

I've been here for a month and still haven't done my travel voucher. Oh geez.
 
Excellent. Just wanted to confirm that was the truth.

"ian": how much of that 1750 every 2 weeks is BAH? Or is your "housing allowance" automatically deducted from your pay each month?
 
I'm having 385 'stolen' from me every 2 weeks because the gov is gracious enough to provide me a 200 sq ft dorm room with a tiny kitchen and a pooper/shower combo.

I don't even want to think what I could get off base for 771 a month!
 
I'm having 385 'stolen' from me every 2 weeks because the gov is gracious enough to provide me a 200 sq ft dorm room with a tiny kitchen and a pooper/shower combo.

I don't even want to think what I could get off base for 771 a month!

You and me both man. I move into my cave on Monday.
 
Excellent. Just wanted to confirm that was the truth.

"ian": how much of that 1750 every 2 weeks is BAH? Or is your "housing allowance" automatically deducted from your pay each month?

It depends upon where you live. For me, $1000 of BAH every month, I get half mid month and half the beginning of the month. The money is yours so if you can find a roommate and pay only half of your rent then you keep the other $400. As you promote your BAH will go up, get married and it goes up even more. This 'scam' only works for living off base.
 
I'm having 385 'stolen' from me every 2 weeks because the gov is gracious enough to provide me a 200 sq ft dorm room with a tiny kitchen and a pooper/shower combo.

I don't even want to think what I could get off base for 771 a month!

Aww... poor, poor 2nd Lieutenant.

;)
 
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