Age 67 Pulled from Alaska Thread

[Kingairer]

I mean back of the napkin if the average pilot gets hired at 35 and since about half of them are captains 10 year upgrades seem on the low side of reasonable. Air travel demand is going to rationalize back to growing at about the rate of population growth, it can’t just keep going forever. Oh and of course, with an R trifecta I would say we’re guaranteed age 67.

Absolutely correct about 67. It failed to make it on the senate version of the bill only by 1 D vote in committee thanks to be in the majority. There's nothing stopping them if they desire this time if little Delta brother wants to get it fired back up. We can only hope its just 67 and not more.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Absolutely correct about 67. It failed to make it on the senate version of the bill only by 1 D vote in committee thanks to be in the majority. There's nothing stopping them if they desire this time if little Delta brother wants to get it fired back up. We can only hope its just 67 and not more.

sighs

Elections have consequences or whatever

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

sighs

Elections have consequences or whatever

It failed only by one vote last time. It’s gonna happen, and pass regardless of D or R.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

It failed only by one vote last time. It’s gonna happen, and pass regardless of D or R.

Well that's a terrible but unsurprising take.

This is why the PAC splits its money both ways—for access, and for issues we care about.

 

[MikeD]

It failed only by one vote last time. It’s gonna happen, and pass regardless of D or R.

Lost decade or half-decade, part 2?

I haven’t heard that’s been re-introduced. Or even being asked for by anyone, with the industry stabilizing?

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Lost decade or half-decade, part 2?

I haven’t heard that’s been re-introduced. Or even being asked for by anyone, with the industry stabilizing?

I’d imagine maybe a 18 month lull. Still have to hire based on a 6 month forward looking projection. Still, can’t wait to see the Instagram generation lose their marbles on an 18 month stagnation.

 

[Kingairer]

Lost decade or half-decade, part 2?

I haven’t heard that’s been re-introduced. Or even being asked for by anyone, with the industry stabilizing?

Hopefully it doesn’t. The necessity isn’t there and the FAA reauthorization was the catalyst to bring it up which won’t be up for awhile

 

[SteveC]

Regarding age 67; wouldn’t the airlines prefer a lower mandatory retirement age (as long as there is a supply of qualified candidates to fill slots)? First year CA/FO wages are much, much lower than top-of-scale, yes? It can’t be that initial training cost savings offset the higher wage differential for two additional years (65-67)?

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

Regarding age 67; wouldn’t the airlines prefer a lower mandatory retirement age (as long as there is a supply of qualified candidates to fill slots)? First year CA/FO wages are much, much lower than top-of-scale, yes? It can’t be that initial training cost savings offset the higher wage differential for two additional years (65-67)?

Age 67 is also weird for ICAO requirements as well. 65-67 pilots can't fly international trips if I am not mistaken.

 

[BobDDuck]

Regarding age 67; wouldn’t the airlines prefer a lower mandatory retirement age (as long as there is a supply of qualified candidates to fill slots)? First year CA/FO wages are much, much lower than top-of-scale, yes? It can’t be that initial training cost savings offset the higher wage differential for two additional years (65-67)?

Yes. A4A has been against raising the age.

 

[Skåning]

Regarding age 67; wouldn’t the airlines prefer a lower mandatory retirement age (as long as there is a supply of qualified candidates to fill slots)? First year CA/FO wages are much, much lower than top-of-scale, yes? It can’t be that initial training cost savings offset the higher wage differential for two additional years (65-67)?

That and the likelihood of going out on disability would be way higher. Costing the company more $$$

 

[SteveC]

Yes. A4A has been against raising the age.

Then why the talk here that Age 67 is coming with the Trump administration?

 

[bimmerphile]

Then why the talk here that Age 67 is coming with the Trump administration?

because the whole thing was floated by a delta pilot whose brother was a republican representative in the house

 

[Kingairer]

Then why the talk here that Age 67 is coming with the Trump administration?

Lets just stop talking about, dont want to give them ideas.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

Then why the talk here that Age 67 is coming with the Trump administration?

Orange man bad. Orange man do bad things. Orange man make age 67. No like Orange man!

 

[bimmerphile]

another elucidating post for the serious thread

 

[adk]

Then why the talk here that Age 67 is coming with the Trump administration?

Has nothing to do with who is in the white house, has everything to do with which party controls the House and the Senate. As others have mentioned, the reason it came around in 2023 is because Representative Troy Nehls (R-TX), who is the brother of a Delta pilot, introduced the age 67 amendment to the FAA reauthorization bill last year. He also (allegedly) tied his support for Kevin McCarthy maintaining the speakership to McCarthy supporting his age 67 amendment.

 

[BobDDuck]

Then why the talk here that Age 67 is coming with the Trump administration?

Because Age 67 (unlike 65) has always been a populist movement of a very vocal minority, which fits into the box of things Trump (well, more accurately the people that Trump empowers to make decisions) have supported. Also, there is a level of overlap between age 67 groups, the medical freedoms (mostly surrounding required vaccinations to maintain employment) groups, and the hard-core Maga groups within the airlines.

In a traditional GOP administration, the opinion of the business community (A4A in this case), would outweigh everything else, but probably not so much with this administration. Hence the concern.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

If you're worried about age 67 and you're posting about it and worrying about it without giving money to the ALPA PAC you deserve the future you are going to get.

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

Regarding age 67; wouldn’t the airlines prefer a lower mandatory retirement age (as long as there is a supply of qualified candidates to fill slots)? First year CA/FO wages are much, much lower than top-of-scale, yes? It can’t be that initial training cost savings offset the higher wage differential for two additional years (65-67)?

Cascading training costs really add up. When that CA retires, someone takes his place, then someone takes their place, etc, etc. I saw numbers somewhere, but a top end captain causes quite a few subsequent training events.