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Sir_Captain

Sir_Captain

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Hey everyone, I found this great website and Isee that you guys give the no bull talk instead of feeding people the [expletive deleted] that the academies like to. Well, the reason i'm here....I'm a fresh commercial pilot, about to start my multi. I've been at Delta connection academy and want to go somewhere else to get my multi to save a few thousands but then forfeit that magnificent job as an instructor !!!! :-O . I am beginning to feel I chose the wrong career since all these schools feed us the same [expletive deleted]. and I can see from the forums on sites such as these that the pay is peanuts for the first few years. I've been exploring some options, mainly gulfstream academy and becoming an f/e through some people I know in the business. What other way is there to build hours or at least get a decent job? I have been considering flying helicopters a lot, anyone know about those jobs, training...etc...? Tell me what you think of my ideas and I'd appreciate some advice from the proffessionals. I want to be a "freight dog " as you guys call it,for UPS or FEDEX, I could care less for the majors right now. My thing is the money, I have a great responsibility in my household and hate to see all the money us students invest take eons to pay us back... Thanks for any advice or two cents you guys contribute... <font color="blue"> </font>
 
Use the search function (located in the tool bar near the top of the screen), put in "Gulfstream", and see what everyone has to say.
 
thanks, i've looked into every other aspect of the gulfstream idea except for what others think,....will do, keep helping me please people. Don't get me wrong I love flying, we all know how we get when we see jets or helicopters...
 
Believe me, you're not going to find any fans of Gulfstream-type programs on this website.
 
edwin
Since you like clear hear is my take on your post. I think its a work of contradictions. Do you really know what you want, or are you just throwing everything up in the air ( no pun intended ).
You say your at an academy which specifically is for the airline minded, but you could care less about the majors, what is that all about?
You're beginning to think that you choose the wrong career, yet you are considering Gulfstream, whick is a subject in of itself. Then you say you'd like to be an F/E, wondering about building hours, F/E build the wrong kind of hours. You've been considering flying helicopters, well if your frustrated now about the rate of return on investment of fixed wing flying you'll really be disappointed on this idea. Then you say you want to be a freight dog, for UPS or FEDEX, again another contradiction in what your post asks. Its about the money, yet you don't want to fly the majors ( whick UPS and FEDEX are ), I don't understand what you really want.
I almost think you are trolling here to see what bottom feeders you'd dig up. Hey there you go, a new career field ... fishing.
It would be easier answering more sincere / specific questions than what you posted here. I'd say you need to define what it is you really want to do and see if you can justify the time and expense of achieving that goal, then focus on that course of action and enjoy your life.

Jim
 
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edwin
Since you like clear hear is my take on your post. I think its a work of contradictions. Do you really know what you want, or are you just throwing everything up in the air ( no pun intended ).
You say your at an academy which specifically is for the airline minded, but you could care less about the majors, what is that all about?
You're beginning to think that you choose the wrong career, yet you are considering Gulfstream, whick is a subject in of itself. Then you say you'd like to be an F/E, wondering about building hours, F/E build the wrong kind of hours. You've been considering flying helicopters, well if your frustrated now about the rate of return on investment of fixed wing flying you'll really be disappointed on this idea. Then you say you want to be a freight dog, for UPS or FEDEX, again another contradiction in what your post asks. Its about the money, yet you don't want to fly the majors ( whick UPS and FEDEX are ), I don't understand what you really want.
I almost think you are trolling here to see what bottom feeders you'd dig up. Hey there you go, a new career field ... fishing.
It would be easier answering more sincere / specific questions than what you posted here. I'd say you need to define what it is you really want to do and see if you can justify the time and expense of achieving that goal, then focus on that course of action and enjoy your life.

Jim

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Sir, I 'm not here to dig up bottom feeders, what ever that's supposed to mean. I'm here because I found this site and think it's a great place to get some advice from proffessionals that have been there already. I enrolled in this academy for convenience of location and ability to get my degree while flying. I know what I want , I'm just here to find advice on ways of getting a job after my multi training. Those ideas I have mentioned are just that, ideas. I am aware that UPS and FEDEX are majors, it's obvious, I meant to seperate them from the pax lines. I mentioned gulfstream because it sounds appealling and wanted to know what these guys thought of the program before I decide. I didn't know that about F/E's thanks for letting me know. Helicopters are a thing I have wanted to do for a long time and I'm asking in this and another post, what's the better way to go about doing that to get the feel of it and maybe someday work in that.

Anyways i'm here to get advice on career moves. If you have advice on a course of action to achieve marketability for a job let me know. If not, then thanks for the info on F/E time and good day.
 
Jim,


I wouldn't worry about this guy too much. In fact he sounds like me much of the time; confused and not sure of which direction to take. I've thought about helicopters, fixed wing EMS, staying at a regional for my whole life, maybe fly for a national, possibly a major, maybe a fractional, but corporate would sure be fun too. In other words, I'm interested in flying and honestly, I don't know what kind of flying is best for me and my future family. I used to be dead set on flying for a major airline, until I found out how much the lifestyle can suck. And now that I've found a wonderful girl to spend some time with, I want to be able to see her.

I think edwin here is just confused, he'll get his head on straight one day. Not sure about myself, though
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HEY JOHN!! Finally someone that is responding to the issue and not what they think of me. Yeah I am in the same situation as you, the girlfriend and everything. I'm just trying to see what is out there and how to get there.

thanks john
 
I can't offer too much advise on where you can take your career from here but I can tell you one thing. Don't go with Gulfstream. It will ruin your career. Employers are not impressed with anything in your logbook that you paid to fly. Anybody with money can do that. They want to see that you earned the time. In fact in a lot of these types of programs, they have you flying SIC in an aircraft that only requires one pilot. You can't legally log that. If it is an a/c that requires 2 pilots, they should be paying you, not the other way around. Therefore, you buy your way into a job that should have gone to a deserving pilot who earned his hours. You wouldn't pay McDonalds to let you stand behind the grill and flip burgers would you? To put the icing on the cake, once you've logged x hours they kick you out to make room for the next joker who will pay them to work for them. Programs like Gulfstream get a very bad name in the industry and you really shoot yourself in the foot with them.
 
Thanks flyguy, I never thought about it the way you mentioned it. I can see the point in what you're saying about buying my way into the job. Do you have any evidence to support the part about employer's view on the way of building time?

THanks man
 
Edwin,

You sound like a lost soul, so I'll reiterate what MQAA said:

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Use the search function (located in the tool bar near the top of the screen), put in "Gulfstream", and see what everyone has to say.

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If you truly went to DCA just because it's close, then we've got some work to do to get you educated.
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Look under some of the links for the different schools and find what you're looking for. If you want to "beat the air into submission", you might want to just join the military, otherwise you'll be very hard-pressed to compete with all the military rotary wings out there.

If you want corporate, freight dawg, or some other type of flying, lay low and read some of the items in those forums. If you want the skinny on the airlines, well, so does everybody else on this site so just keep your eyes open.

Agcat, and some others offer items most people don't think of for building time, pipeline patrols, photography, banners, ag spraying( ag spraying being an entity all in itself, from what I understand), etc.

If you just throw out statements like the Gulfstream one, then expect to have everybody either avoid you or else think you are looking for trouble. Do the research and read the threads and you'll be amazed at what you learn on this site!

Good luck and safe flying!
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Do you have any evidence to support the part about employer's view on the way of building time?

THanks man

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Edwin Im not sure what it is your not getting... Or what exhibit A your actually expecting to get.... Or if you been sipping on some of that cooking Cherri. I know 4 people told you its a bad idea. One of them told you twice.

Thats what they have to say on the matter. Accept it, dont accept it its up to you. But dont frustrate the people that are taking the time out to give advice.

Actually Doug this is your fault you should have installed sign language software on the site
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I apologize guys I haven't been very open minded on the opinions of others. Yeah I realize now that DCA was not so great after all. THanks TXPILOT for your advice, I never heard of Agcat. Music, you're right and I would like to extend an apology to all of you if I have seemed cantankerous on this forum. I highly value the advice I've read on this forum and have been doing my research as TXPILOT suggest. If you or anyone else consequently reads this post please ignore my previous posts as I am ashamed that I reacted in such a way. Please don't even think about the Coast Guard Issue, I hold no grudge against them, just feel like they could at least have sent me the letter every candidate is supposed to receive.

Thanks to all of you for your advice and opinions, comments. All these things have helped me better my character and find my faults for the better. Please see my post on the Corporate section of the topics, I am posting there also in case anyone can lend advice.

Thank you, keep posting please
 
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I highly value the advice I've read on this forum and have been doing my research as TXPILOT suggest.

[/ QUOTE ] Actually, MQAA suggested that, but I'm sure she's just happy her message got across.
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I heard just the other day that Fedex specifically hates Gulfstream candidates and will not hire them.

Take it for what it's worth, but it's what I heard from someone who is friends with someone in their hiring dept.

~wheelsup
 
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I heard just the other day that Fedex specifically hates Gulfstream candidates and will not hire them.

Take it for what it's worth, but it's what I heard from someone who is friends with someone in their hiring dept.

~wheelsup

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Thanks wheelsup, I think someone posted something similar to what you're saying. Thanks for the warning.

Would any of you happen to know about helicopter training and building hours. I know the training can get expensive, I'm just trying to do research on the jobs.

Thanks
 
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