Adjusted Salary by Region

Roger Roger said:
Yes, and outside of aviation in high-COL areas companies have to offer higher salaries to attract employees. In aviation? "You want me to live in the most expensive city in the country and want to pay me 25 large a year to start? Please sir, can I have some more?"
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Not necessarily true. My wife made a LOT less in Boston than she makes in Savannah. There are more doctors in Boston, so it pays less. Supply/demand.
 
Derg said:
Notice enrollment at UND, ERAU and new student pilot certificates are much lower.
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Are they? Seems like there are as many flight students here as ever, I know multi kids were having a hard time getting assigned instructors for a little bit though since they alot were getting picked up. If anything is changing its that the number of foreign flight students seem to be increasing. They are selling the whole R-ATP thing for all its worth, and its working.
 
You know whats better than salary by region? Merit based upgrade and retracting your flaps in the flare while flying with a backpack on and a hat off.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Not necessarily true. My wife made a LOT less in Boston than she makes in Savannah. There are more doctors in Boston, so it pays less. Supply/demand.
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Well, clearly something else about Boston is attractive enough to doctors that they will take a job there for less than they could make elsewhere. Curious.
 
Roger Roger said:
Well, clearly something else about Boston is attractive enough to doctors that they will take a job there for less than they could make elsewhere. Curious.
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I think it's a combination of things. There are a ton of med schools/residencies. The system has some high-profile hospitals that are prestigious to work for too. Plus, it's not a bad place to live.

As far as we can tell, the doctors make less because the support staff earn far more. In her current job, the office workers are paid 1/2 what they make in Boston. Since the practice only generates so much money, those higher salaries have to come from somewhere.

Maybe the docs should unionize so they can get paid what they are worth, not what the market supports.... Zing!
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Long-call reserve is a standard provision of major airline contracts, as are generous commuting clauses.
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I wish we had long call reserve here (and I live in domicile). Best I can hope for is I am not number 1 or 2 on the list on a given day and get a 3 hour call out. And a commuter clause? Not so much so. Granted, 80% of our pilots live in base so it's kind of not an issue.
 
BobDDuck said:
I wish we had long call reserve here (and I live in domicile). Best I can hope for is I am not number 1 or 2 on the list on a given day and get a 3 hour call out. And a commuter clause? Not so much so. Granted, 80% of our pilots live in base so it's kind of not an issue.
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Yeah, I think you guys are a bit of a special case because you don't have nearly as many commuters as the other carriers.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Yeah, I think you guys are a bit of a special case because you don't have nearly as many commuters as the other carriers.
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There are a fair number of guys that do commute from the west coast, but certainly not anything close to the 70% that AirTran had/has. It's more the reserve system that I feel is antiquated. It's been fine so far and they've treated me really well (a scheduler THANKING me for answering the phone during a RAP? Never had that happen at my former gig!) but there isn't a lot of transparency during day of operations.
 
We had the same problem under our old CBA. No transparency whatsoever. Now it's all completely transparent, though. Availability list that everyone can see, all open time visible, bid call first/last, etc. It was all achieved in a single CBA. It can be done, if that's what people want to focus on. It was one of our top priorities in bargaining, though, so a lot of capital went towards it.
 
We have this in our contract but since we're an EMS operator we're not your average air carrier. Basically it works like this: take the CPI (as determined at the time the contract was signed) compare it to national average to get a percentage above or below average for the city. Then multiply that by base salary in increments of 10% (for example 105% CPI you get 110% salary) up to 160% base salary. If you live in a city with below average CPI you just get paid base salary.
 
jynxyjoe said:
You know whats better than salary by region? Merit based upgrade and retracting your flaps in the flare while flying with a backpack on and a hat off.
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I just threw up a little.

BobDDuck said:
There are a fair number of guys that do commute from the west coast, but certainly not anything close to the 70% that AirTran had/has. It's more the reserve system that I feel is antiquated. It's been fine so far and they've treated me really well (a scheduler THANKING me for answering the phone during a RAP? Never had that happen at my former gig!) but there isn't a lot of transparency during day of operations.
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I've heard "thanks" on the phone more than once from Crew Support. Most recently, yesterday. Makes me feel all human and individual-like.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
We have this in our contract but since we're an EMS operator we're not your average air carrier. Basically it works like this: take the CPI (as determined at the time the contract was signed) compare it to national average to get a percentage above or below average for the city. Then multiply that by base salary in increments of 10% (for example 105% CPI you get 110% salary) up to 160% base salary. If you live in a city with below average CPI you just get paid base salary.
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Methods?
 
z987k said:
Methods?
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A cool trick is getting a base that's in an expensive part of a giant, teeming slum. The guys at KSUS (back when there were guys at Spirit) were making an extra ~$10k/year or so because the airport was out in country club territory. Worth the drive!
 
rocketman5150 said:
With the exception of the federal government, I know of no industries that have differing salaries by location. Companies have jobs to fill; they offer a salary based on the economic and market forces.
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At my regional, management had different salaries based on location.


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Derg said:
For a period of time.

Notice enrollment at UND, ERAU and new student pilot certificates are much lower.
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Actually, enrollment for UND's aviation program is up significantly this year. Not sure what to make of that.
 
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