Accidental Gear-Up in C-182/RG

jhugz

jhugz

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I don't know if anyone posted it yet but here it is.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-K4QHpVXtxI

Here was the comment on the video:


"There was a snow storm approaching in about an hour and we were doing a check ride. Because of possible ice, we had been flying with the gear down the entire time. We started doing touch and goes after a while. Habit when you take off is to raise the gear. This is what happened. So, when we come around, they were conversing and what not and simply forgot the gear was up. The prop got bent up pretty bad along with the belly of the plane."

I am guessing he didn't pass the ride:banghead:
 
who knows but this is the tool my instructor used to show me y a sterile cockpit during critical phases of flight is pretty important.
 
That is nuts!!! The Examiner is just as much at fault I think. The freeking horn was going off....and why didn't the guy filming say anything. We had two FAA guys gear up a baron at our airport and it burned to the ground right on the runway.....they tried to say the gear didn't come down....HA they checked it and it was fine. CHEERS
 
Videos been getting around that's for sure. . .so many different stories. . .

Doesn't change the fact they geared up a perfectly beautiful plane. :(
 
jhugz said:
Here was the comment on the video:
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I'm not sure that comment is correct. I believe this incident happened in Memphis (actually, Millington, TN) at the Charles Baker Airport. The guy in the right seat is a local instructor, but not an examiner (God forbid). As punishment, he had to go around to the local safety seminars and describe the incident.
 
tgrayson said:
I'm not sure that comment is correct. I believe this incident happened in Memphis (actually, Millington, TN) at the Charles Baker Airport. The guy in the right seat is a local instructor, but not an examiner (God forbid). As punishment, he had to go around to the local safety seminars and describe the incident.
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I just cut n pasted what was in the youtube desc. box not sure on the truth of the text.
 
So, people. What is your take on silencing the gear horn at altitude?

There are two sides to the story, because I mean if you silence it you do not get accustomed to its beep beep beep.

However, if you silence you may forget it, i mean it would have to be like a power off approach but still.

Any ideas?
 
Try announcing that you're silencing the gear warning horn even if you're by yourself. In a crew concept, have the other crewmember silence it for you. Don't get into a habit of just hitting the horn button without saying anything. So far, every time the horn actually sounds it gets my attention.
 
jhugz said:
I don't know if anyone posted it yet but here it is.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-K4QHpVXtxI

Here was the comment on the video:


"There was a snow storm approaching in about an hour and we were doing a check ride. Because of possible ice, we had been flying with the gear down the entire time. We started doing touch and goes after a while. Habit when you take off is to raise the gear. This is what happened. So, when we come around, they were conversing and what not and simply forgot the gear was up. The prop got bent up pretty bad along with the belly of the plane."

I am guessing he didn't pass the ride:banghead:
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Pilotdude3407 said:
That is nuts!!! The Examiner is just as much at fault I think. The freeking horn was going off....and why didn't the guy filming say anything. We had two FAA guys gear up a baron at our airport and it burned to the ground right on the runway.....they tried to say the gear didn't come down....HA they checked it and it was fine. CHEERS
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EHH I need to clear up a little about this but that happened at my home airport, 2m8 (north of memphis) in january....no "snow storm"....Also there was no examiner on board...It was just a local guy taking some of his friends flying in his 172RG and the guy in the back knew nothing about flying....I talked to the guy that was flying a few weeks later and there was another guy giving him hell about it...He said he just forgot...To me forgetting to put the gear down is a little strange, but whatev....2 types of pilots: Those who have landed gear up and those who have yet to do so.....
 
tgrayson said:
I agree, assuming we're talking about forgetfulness.
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No, I was talking about the copout that every pilot will land gear up. I disagree. Pilots who stay aware of complacency, actually uses checklists, and stick to the primary concern, aviating, will NOT ever accidentally land gear up.
 
darrenf said:
No, I was talking about the copout that every pilot will land gear up. I disagree. Pilots who stay aware of complacency, actually uses checklists, and stick to the primary concern, aviating, will NOT ever accidentally land gear up.
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:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
 
darrenf said:
No, I was talking about the copout that every pilot will land gear up. I disagree. Pilots who stay aware of complacency, actually uses checklists, and stick to the primary concern, aviating, will NOT ever accidentally land gear up.
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Well, you say "No", but you then agreed with what I said. If you take into account equipment malfunction, if you fly a complex aircraft a lot and you live long enough, you will land gear up.

I guess the same thing applies to forgetting, though. If we live long enough, there will be a time when we are complacent and distracted and we may forget.

Our goal is to die of old age first. :)
 
tgrayson said:
Well, you say "No", but you then agreed with what I said. If you take into account equipment malfunction, if you fly a complex aircraft a lot and you live long enough, you will land gear up.

I guess the same thing applies to forgetting, though. If we live long enough, there will be a time when we are complacent and distracted and we may forget.

Our goal is to die of old age first. :)
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No, I never agreed with you and still don't. I guess if I flew 10 hours every day and lived for 8000 years, I would agree your statement has more merit, but until we figure out how to make both those instances a reality, I still disagree. It is defeatist to believe that horse c**p. And to imply that the meaning of that statement has anything to do with mechanical failure and not pilot error is really reaching. You might as well say "There are two kinds of pilots, those that have lost a wing, and those that are going to" .
 
It is defeatist to believe that horse
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No, it isn't. It's just an acknowledgement that our behavior is influenced by our environment. All of us. For each of us, there is a situation that could occur that would distract us from our duties. Given enough time, it will occur.

It's very common for people to express contempt for those who have accidents and think it is some flaw in their character. Sometimes that may be true, or it may be that they were unlucky enough to have the wrong combination of distractions that day.

I'd argue that arrogance is more likely to lead to accidents by thinking we too good or too smart or too careful for us to commit a particular mistake. Dying of old age before we do seems a worthy goal and is less likely to make us judge others so harshly.
 
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