AC-130 loss of controlled flight

[zippy]

when?who?

http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/30/the-crash-of-independence-08/

2013

 

[Hacker15e]

http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/30/the-crash-of-independence-08/

2013

There is a huge amount of back-story to the MC-12 program's phenomenally lousy training program that led into this tragedy. There was nearly a similar loss of an aircraft and crew due to an unrecognized unusual attitude in 2011, too, that led to some of us in the field trying to implement an unusual attitude recovery/training program. That idea was not received well by big AF, to say the least.

A huge, massive list of errors led to that...it was entirely preventable.

 

[Bumblebee]

http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/30/the-crash-of-independence-08/

2013

we were first ac over that...

 

[ppragman]

http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/30/the-crash-of-independence-08/

2013

Damn this is a dumb reason to die, no reason for this to happen, that sucks. @Hacker15e - did the accident investigation into this turn up deficiencies in training, or was that all basically ignored and blamed on the crew so that they could maintain the status quo?

 

[Hacker15e]

There was to interest in changing the training program, that whole project had far too many other things it needed to fix, too.

All of it is for nothing now, the program is gone in the airplanes of been turned over to someone else

 

[Bumblebee]

the guy in the back messaged a troubling statement.

 

[Ruck]

I've always had questions about that line in that movie! Haha

When I watch it now, I think stuff like "Hmm, is that long-haul air freight back to the US? If that's with Purple or Brown, Maverick might want to jump on that opportunity before the chance expires..." etc

 

[///AMG]

When I left there was a Navy C-130 parked at Clark in the Philippines.

It had been there for the better part of a year because the pilot did an emergency landing and tried to stop a fully loaded aircraft in about 8 feet on a giant runway.

Ended up destroying the undercarriage with no easy way to fix it. The Navy was still shipping parts in to get their bird out instead of just writing it off and letting the Phils have it for parts.


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Total non-sequiter, but I recently read an account of how on one of the early space shuttle flights (during the "test" events on the first 4 launches) had a test point where they were to execute maximum effort braking. Apparently the brakes were destroyed in the process. Now I am not one to second guess the million pound brains at NASA, but to me, that sounds like asking to write an aircraft (or in this case Orbiter) off. I've known of at least a half dozen aircraft that met their demise after a hot brake fire spread to the rest of the jet.

 

[Blackhawk]

Again, my question is how did they recover? Losing 5,000' and overstressing the airframe my guess is that they decided to pull into a split-s rather than push, power, roll. We had a pax jet get rolled inverted due to wake vortices on final several years ago. If it had lost 5,000' it would have been under ground.

 

[Deleted member 27505]

There is a huge amount of back-story to the MC-12 program's phenomenally lousy training program that led into this tragedy. There was nearly a similar loss of an aircraft and crew due to an unrecognized unusual attitude in 2011, too, that led to some of us in the field trying to implement an unusual attitude recovery/training program. That idea was not received well by big AF, to say the least.

A huge, massive list of errors led to that...it was entirely preventable.

Not trying to be snide, but once again, no matter how FUBAR one's "advanced" training becomes as one "progresses" up the ladder, it's one's primary training that ultimately prevents this kind of thing.

If you are flying an airplane - no matter what the particular mission - your first priority is ALWAYS fly the airplane. This is something that should be inculcated deeply and profoundly in basic primary training. If it is, it will stick through all the clutter and clatter of mediocre training that follows.

 

[Hacker15e]

Not trying to be snide, but once again, no matter how FUBAR one's "advanced" training becomes as one "progresses" up the ladder, it's one's primary training that ultimately prevents this kind of thing.

If you are flying an airplane - no matter what the particular mission - your first priority is ALWAYS fly the airplane. This is something that should be inculcated deeply and profoundly in basic primary training. If it is, it will stick through all the clutter and clatter of mediocre training that follows.

Agreed. This crew got in way over their heads, became task saturated, and was unable to load-shed and concentrate on basic aircraft control and basic concepts like "recognize, confirm, and recover."