757 Go-Around

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So I was on my way to Sarasota last weekand via MSP-DTW. Was on a 757 from MSP to DTW. Pilot comes on the PA during decent and lets us know that it's windy in Detroit, expect turbulence, fasten seatbelts, blah blah blah. So on final aprroach you can tell that they are fighting the wind pretty hard, as we come over the threshold I can tell that we are high, not sure exactley how high, but we were definetely high. Right about then a pretty good gust of wind cought us and brought the left wing up, at that point he applies some left aileron to correct for the gust of wind. At the same time he pushes the nose over pretty hard to try and get it on the ground. At that point the left mains slammed down on the runway HARD and we ballooned back into the air. It scared the hell out of everyone, screams from a couple of people.

At that point I think the crew realized that there was no way they could bring it down and have a safe amount of runway so they spooled em up and we went around. The Capt. came on about 5 mins later and gave a very soothing PA that got people calmed down I think. We ended up switching to a more favorable runway and made an uneventful landing, which was greeted with a loud applause.

I've never experienced a go-around on any commercial flight, much less a 757. I geuss I was just curious how often these type things occur out in the world of 121.



In other, unrelated news, I finally was able to fly the left seat of a full motion DC-9 sim today at Airborne Ex. WOW!!

Got to fly a an ILS down to mins and deal with LLWS on t/o. It is amazing how realistic those things make it. When I was doing the wind shear demo It seriously felt like the bottom of the plane was going to fall out. All in all it was a great experience. Can't wait to see my instructors face when he takes a look at my logbook next!
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I did a go around yesterday. I watched two jets do go-arounds in ATL because they got sequenced too tightly...
 
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I did a go around yesterday. I watched two jets do go-arounds in ATL because they got sequenced too tightly...

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What a coincidence, I did one yesterday too. Of course in a 172 its much less impressive.
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Hey Mtts422:
So is SHE Carolina?

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Yes, and a good friend of mine as well
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I did a go around yesterday. I watched two jets do go-arounds in ATL because they got sequenced too tightly...

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I kind of figured they weren't all that uncommon, just thought I would throw it out there.
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Must of been a weekend full of go-arounds. I too experienced my first go around in an airliner... an ERJ to be exact. I was on my way to CLE from IAD sitting in the second row. The descent into CLE was pretty bumpy, but nothing too crazy until I notice the plane yawing considerably both left and right at about 500 AGL or so. I have to admit, that's when I began to get a bit uncomfortable. All of a sudden, I hear an alarm tone go off in the cockpit followed by an audible windshear alert. I then heard the engines immediately spool up and felt the nose pitch upward. The plane didn't begin climbing immediately, but once she was cleaned up she began a smooth climb. We went around and had an uneventful landing on the second attempt.

For those folks that fly for the airlines... how common is it to get a windshear alert?
 
Last week going into LAX after a 14 hourer from SYD, the vis was about 200 feet, it was awesome you really saw the runway as the mains touched down. The landing was so smooth though, best I have experienced. It was auto-land though!
 
I work in one of the towers here in Denver and am able to watch planes land all day long. One thing about the ATC here, they dont really care which way the winds are blowing they use the traffic pattern which makes it easiest for them it seems so on windy days we see them alot out here. They wont leave you stuck with a tailwind but crosswinds out here can get up to 30 kts easily! Considering all the different runways we have here you should always have a greater headwind than a Xwind.

I also dont understand why we built a 16,000' (34L/16R)runway only to have Lufthansa's fullly loaded 747 take off on the short 12,000' runway 34R? Never will get that... The thing rotates with less than 2,000 feet. Cant imagine what it will be like this summer when they bring back their A343. They say it only climbs due to the curvature of the earth!

Anyone know how much the average "go around" costs the airline in just fuel costs?
 
Well I'm extremely jealous Mtts442 everytime I'm flying commercially I always hope and pray for ago-round and you got to experience it in my favor commercial airliner of all things.

You know just to prolong my flying experince (that and because I have never experienced it before)

Ona side note I was reading a book the other day a 757 is a really automated aircraft.

To go missed (go around) all the pliot flying needs do is hit a button and the autopilot will auto fly the published missed approach it will also hold over a fix.

Awesome plane. Doug can the MD-80/90 do the same thing or do you have to hand fly a missed approach in the "Mad dogs"?


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Ona side note I was reading a book the other day a 757 is a really automated aircraft.

To go missed (go around) all the pliot flying needs do is hit a button and the autopilot will auto fly the published missed approach it will also hold over a fix.


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Yep, the B75/76 will fly an auto GA and fly a complete published missed approach procedure beginning with a simple push of a thumb switch on either thrust lever. If the GA switch(es) is selected at a low enough altitude (say,..50') the aircraft may initially touch down on the rwy but will rotate and complete a normal GA.

All the pilot has to do is select "LNAV" at 400', select clean maneuvering speed on the MCP at 1000' and clean it up. BTW, the autothrottles will increase just enough to give you a nice 2000'/per minute climb rate on a normal GA. This is about half of available thrust. Max thrust, combined with a lightly loaded aircraft, would probably scare the crap out of most passengers. The pilot can at any time manually advance the thrust levers to a higher setting if so desired. If windshear is detected the autopilot will also fly an auto windshear recovery profile.

Like most glass cockpit airplanes, the complete missed approach procedure, including the holding pattern, is in the data base of the FMC and depicted on the moving map. In "LNAV" the airplane simply follows the pretty picture on the map. It'll even tell you how long you can hold before you're forced to go to your alternate. Takes all the fun out of it, huh?
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All in all...noraml GA's are a non-event in the B75/76.
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Ona side note I was reading a book the other day a 757 is a really automated aircraft.

To go missed (go around) all the pliot flying needs do is hit a button and the autopilot will auto fly the published missed approach it will also hold over a fix.


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Yep, the B75/76 will fly an auto GA and fly a complete published missed approach procedure beginning with a simple push of a thumb switch on either thrust lever. If the GA switch(es) is selected at a low enough altitude (say,..50') the aircraft may initially touch down on the rwy but will rotate and complete a normal GA.

All the pilot has to do is select "LNAV" at 400', select clean maneuvering speed on the MCP at 1000' and clean it up. BTW, the autothrottles will increase just enough to give you a nice 2000'/per minute climb rate on a normal GA. This is about half of available thrust. Max thrust, combined with a lightly loaded aircraft, would probably scare the crap out of most passengers. The pilot can at any time manually advance the thrust levers to a higher setting if so desired. If windshear is detected the autopilot will also fly an auto windshear recovery profile.

Like most glass cockpit airplanes, the complete missed approach procedure, including the holding pattern, is in the data base of the FMC and depicted on the moving map. In "LNAV" the airplane simply follows the pretty picture on the map. It'll even tell you how long you can hold before you're forced to go to your alternate. Takes all the fun out of it, huh?
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All in all...noraml GA's are a non-event in the B75/76.
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I am assuming GA stands for go-around? just curious.

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I hadn't had any experiences with GAs until this year, when out of the past 10 or so segments I've been on I've had 4 of them. A 717 into ATL (twice actaully and then a divert) a A319 in DCA (river approach twice! wahoo), a B1900 into CKB and a ERJ into MHT. They were all pretty standard approaches until around 500 feet, except for the A319. We were all over the place on that one, but then again, the river visual isn't exactly a stabalized approach to begin with, so who knows.

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The only commercial flight I've been on that went around was landing at DTW too--an A320.

It was before I started flying myself, so I didn't have much of an idea of what was going on--but wasn't too worried. This was a couple of months after 9/11 when lots of people were on pins and needles around planes, so it was completely quiet on the plane and there were lots of concerned looking faces until one of the pilots gave a PA.
 
Only go around that I've ever experienced on a commercial flight was on a 757 into San Jose. The captain came on, said something like, ladies and gentlemen, that obviously wasn't normal, but we decided that we'd come back around and land. We'll get you there in just a couple more minutes.

The second time, we landed without incident. Never did find out what happened to make the crew go around.
 
The -88 will do a go-around as well with the autopilot on if you hit the GA switch on the throttles and select NAV at 1000.
 
I've had a few go-arounds. Two for windshear, one for ATC separation. One of the WS and the ATC go-around were really non-events, very calm. The one WS GA was pretty eventful... the winds were out of the southwest (about 240 heading) at 30-40 kts; gusty. Well down low, the wind hits the hangars, buildings, etc., and we had a speed decay of 20 knots at about 30 feet above the runway. A rough slam down, bounce, then go around. Second time around we were ready for it, again a loss (this time about 15 kts), but were on the ground ok.

It happens. Better to go-around and try it again if it ever doesn't feel right.
 
I actually was at my local class C and saw a very interesting go around for seperation purposes. There was a C152 about 100 feet off and was just about to tough down on the runway when a learjet came flying in right behind him no farther than 100 yds behind him. The ATC gave the C152 a go around and he barely climbed out before the learjet came whizzing by on the runway pavement. Scariest part is that the C152 was a student pilot from one of the flight schools, must have scared him to death to watch a citation go whizzing by barely missing him. Luckily he came around and we saw the student land about 10 minutes later.
 
Two of my buddies were on Delta coming back from the cayman islands and went around right at the runway at atlanta, they said the captain came on and said the go aroud was due to flap problems. Anyone else ever heard of going around on short final beacause flaps wouldnt extend?
 
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