61.87 n 61.87 p

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banjo

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Why is it when i look in the back of a students log book it says the 90 day endorsement is 61.87 (n). AC61.65 says its 61.87 (p). ?
 
The preprinted endorsements that came with the logbook? If the reg changes then the section could change as well. Reference the current AC and write the endorsement accordingly.

Who knows when the logbook was printed, just make sure you endorse according to the latest AC.
 
Even the latest AC can be behind a reg change. Regs change, then the appropriate ACs change, but according to budget, etc. and order of importance to safety, it may be a year or mote before the AC reflects current Regs.
Always consult a current source of regulations before signing. faa.gov.
 
After looking at the current reg on faa.gov, (n) is the requirement for the student to have in his logbook.
(p) is the requirement for the instructor to make the endorsement.
 
Looks like you use (n) for the first 90 day solo. Then (p) for each additional. From what I can figure.
 
nosehair said:
After looking at the current reg on faa.gov, (n) is the requirement for the student to have in his logbook.
(p) is the requirement for the instructor to make the endorsement.
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This is correct. It's not due to a change in the regulations. Both must be complied with.

AC 61-65E splits the sport pilot initial solo and the 90 day endorsement into two and references both (n) and (p). Compare endorsements #13 and 14 with endorsement # 4. That offers more clarity.
 
The 61.65E endorsements as written have never made much sense when compared with the FAR 61.87(n) and (p) language. Just do what instructors have done through the years - ignore the discrepancy (actually, I'd bet most have never noticed it) and take advantage of the "safe harbor" provided by Using the current form endorsements.
 
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